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this is bay to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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for the

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uh yeah man

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how you doing how you doing today is

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monday august 15

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer and annex networks racehobbs

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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man i've waited 27 years for tonight's

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show tonight we have very special guest

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dr jonathan reed is here we're going to

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be talking about his 1996 et encounter

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incredible

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tomorrow night

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we're off air

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i've still got to work i'm going to be

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over at you parks in los angeles in

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studio city i'll be speaking over there

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and you can get uh

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tickets last minute i guess if some are

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still available

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the links are below and you can go and

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visit uparsela.org

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and i think they have a meetup page too

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as well and

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and you can just show up at the door and

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see if you can get in

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we've got seating for 200 it's gonna

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sell out and i'll see everybody there

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tomorrow night we we're gonna broadcast

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live uh from there

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uh there's some logistics that uh

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stepped in the way so tomorrow night

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we're gonna run a best of replay

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and uh and then i'm just gonna go and

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and not have any stress

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of a live show i i just get to hang out

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with everybody over at you par so that

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is uh tomorrow night

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right here in los angeles california

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again the links are below

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and uh

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now the weekend of september 16th i'll

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be in joshua tree for a private sky

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and if you want to try to get an invite

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to that it's coming up in oh man

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uh in exactly a month you can go to

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forbidden knowledge that's what the four

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forbid knowledge club.com and mint

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yourself some nfts i think you've got to

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do 10 and you'll get your black card and

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get an invite

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and then right after that i'll be in

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um and then coming up uh in april uh

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that's it that's it i it is it's so

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how uh i'll leave the house go shopping

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don't know man it's a lot of shows

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that's right let's get to the breaking

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let's get to the breaking news oh the

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right there on twitter or you can

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hit one of the chat rooms

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now let's get to the breaking news or

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i'm in a great mood dr jonathan reed is

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here tonight it's going to be an amazing

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show i've got a lot of images too that

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uh jonathan has sent me

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and we're gonna go through all of that

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tonight and he will be with us at the

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bottom of the hour now

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let's get to the breaking news anne hesh

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she was declared brain dead and taken

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back in the news now everybody knows i

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when the space launch system rocket and

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inside a rhyme will be three mannequins

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which will kick off the artemis program

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with the aim of eventually returning

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in a little over a year

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carries on the tradition that began in

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the 1960s of nasa's spacecraft bearing

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mementos the tradition includes the

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voyagers probe's gold record you

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remember that perseverance rovers

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microchip of 10.9 million names

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including mine artemis 1 will carry 120

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pounds of mementos and other items

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in its official flight kit

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all soon to be auctioned off at

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sotheby's in new york i'm kidding not

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check this out

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with only

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a 300 piece of equipment

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and legal that's the key word here legal

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access to an uplink station

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you too can broadcast war games

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from a decommissioned canadian satellite

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that's what a hacking enthusiast carl

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showed everyone over the weekend at the

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annual defcon hacker meetup in las vegas

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after being granted access to an

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abandoned uplink facility

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kosher and friends used a

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software-defined radio called hack rf

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to connect with canada's defunct anec

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f1r satellite last year

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and they said they just had some fun

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with it end quote

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kosher in the hacking group shady tell

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obtained both a license to use an out of

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along with the anec f1r satellites

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utilizing their new satellite the group

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was able to stream the talks that uh

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from last year's tour con hacking

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conference in san diego and they did

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that during the day

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while showing fan favorite films

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extra bandwidth also allowed them to set

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dedicated number to call and broadcast

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fun

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all right well for the first time

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scientists have named a heat wave

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they called it

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zoe

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the spanish scientists bestowed the

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moniker on a heat wave that sent

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temperatures soaring to 112 degrees

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fahrenheit

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in seville between july 24th and july

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27th

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it's a new effort to alert the public to

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extreme temperatures

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and warn them of the dangers well you

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know it's hurricanes

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now it's heat waves

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us gasoline prices continue to fall

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and they will keep falling raising the

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possibility of gas below three dollars a

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gallon in much of the country before the

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end of the year

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the national average for a gallon of

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regular gas

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stood at

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3.96

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this past monday only down a fraction of

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a cent where it stood on sunday

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still

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that decline maintained a streak of 62

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consecutive days of falling gas prices

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the average national price has fallen a

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dollar six or 21 percent

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21 since hitting a record high of five

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dollars and cents a gallon back on june

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14th

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here in southern california

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gas is a bargain

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at 550 a gallon

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if it gets below five bucks we're going

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to be happy here in southern california

325
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yeah we'll do the happy dance

326
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it's so funny i'll contact my friends

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around the corner how much you paying

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for gas amen oh you know what here man

329
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it's a buck fifty a gallon it's a buck

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sixty it's a buck ninety how much you

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paying i'm like

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739

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and everybody laughs and

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here in southern california

335
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we're just used to it

336
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that's it that's it i'm just going to

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leave that right there so as you

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complain about gas prices you know save

339
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it

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just go through

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go through what i go through

342
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let's get the show cracking on this day

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in history

344
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1979 i remember this like it was

345
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yesterday

346
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because apocalypse now opens in theaters

347
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now there's a lot of hype behind the

348
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film at that time

349
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and

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i lived on an army base

351
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and uh so i watched it in panama

352
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at the fort amador theater for 50 cents

353
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that's how much it cost to go see a

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movie subsidized by the department of

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defense 50 cents

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and

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my life changed that day

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i i i've man i don't know if you know

359
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like the shining messed with me

360
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you know certain films have messed with

361
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,000
rosemary's baby messed with me when i

362
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was a kid the last house on the left

363
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um

364
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and but but apocalypse now

365
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wow

366
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it uh it just seems so real

367
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:08,960
you know and it was right after the

368
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vietnam war ended it just wow it just it

369
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,440
just messed with me

370
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but again on this day

371
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in 1979 fader fact

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all right this is for you fader knots

373
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out there

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are you ready

375
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a linguist a linguistic study

376
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:31,840
has discovered

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that workers in antarctica

378
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have developed

379
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that's right

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this is the result of them being

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isolated

382
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as a group and interacting with only one

383
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,000
another

384
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for several months it's called

385
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antarctican

386
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which is better than

387
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,840
antarcticans

388
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and that

389
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:06,880
is your fader fact tonight we have very

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00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,400
special guest dr jonathan reed is here

391
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,640
going to be talking about his 1996 et

392
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,480
encounter tomorrow night

393
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,960
we are off air i'm taking the night off

394
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,559
well i'm not taking the night i'm taking

395
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,760
the night off here i will be speaking at

396
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,120
you pars

397
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and uh yeah i carry a certain amount of

398
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,200
guilt about this

399
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:29,840
i get it but you know what

400
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i've earned it can i take

401
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,840
a night off

402
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,440
10 years

403
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,200
how many nights off have i taken in 10

404
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,960
years the only nights off that i've

405
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,000
taken

406
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,080
is like during a power outage or an

407
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earthquake or a riot

408
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:48,400
you know something like that

409
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,200
but

410
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,520
and i've written this thing through

411
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,280
so tomorrow night we're off there you're

412
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,440
just gonna have to deal with it and then

413
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,000
wednesday night adam apollo it's gonna

414
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:59,520
be here we're gonna be talking about the

415
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,000
science and search for e.t thursday's

416
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,039
another fader night with open lines all

417
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:06,480
night long

418
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,679
all right now um

419
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,280
over the weekend i talked about this

420
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:12,880
this happened on friday

421
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,760
and i told everybody what uh i was going

422
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,400
to

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00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,679
do

424
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,520
which is i was going to go out to

425
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,120
vandenberg

426
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,440
air force base which i found out after

427
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,679
getting there it's no longer called

428
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,000
vandenberg air force base it's called

429
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,720
vandenberg sfb

430
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,280
space force base

431
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:34,799
now a couple of things to note about

432
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,240
this first off um i don't want to

433
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,000
say a whole lot about this because

434
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there's you know privacy issues and

435
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,280
things like that

436
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,799
but um

437
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,360
brad harris was with me i'm going to

438
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,520
leave it at that

439
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:50,960
and uh

440
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,200
he is our staff photographer by the way

441
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,280
and took some amazing images including

442
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,400
me getting

443
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:01,280
rustled up by the space force police but

444
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,880
um but putting that aside i didn't know

445
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,640
that it was

446
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,640
now the space force base

447
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,919
and i'm

448
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,720
i'm clearing security

449
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159
and uh

450
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,159
had to give up my social security number

451
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,480
by the way it was a little uncomfortable

452
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,120
with that but anyway so apparently i

453
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,039
passed the background check

454
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,559
and and and and i'm looking at

455
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,280
everybody there the staff

456
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:30,240
and

457
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,559
right i see sf on every by the way i'm

458
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,280
wearing my space four shirt

459
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:40,400
got at the gift shop um so it's not a

460
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,159
gift shop i went to the px anyway

461
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,480
space force right and

462
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,640
so i start looking around and i see it

463
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,799
everywhere vandenberg

464
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:52,880
sfb

465
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:56,400
and that was pretty interesting

466
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,440
um

467
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,159
and so anyway uh

468
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,480
uh i get my vehicle cleared i get

469
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:05,280
cleared we drive onto the base and oh i

470
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,480
left i left my id uh i i i kept my uh

471
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,480
paper id that they gave me

472
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,080
so anyway we're driving around the base

473
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,559
and i start seeing things

474
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:18,799
you know uh uh

475
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,520
delta 30 space force command space force

476
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,840
command delta 30 delta 18

477
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,360
and um

478
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,000
uh the nro national reconnaissance

479
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,559
office saw that too as well that was

480
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,640
that was creepy town

481
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,840
and uh but driving around and then you

482
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,720
start to realize see a lot of rockets

483
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,279
you see space command center here you

484
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,799
see launch control over here and

485
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,039
and these big impressive really nice

486
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,200
base by the way a very impressive

487
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,520
facilities but then if it's not an air

488
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:54,159
force base anymore this is the space

489
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,360
force

490
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:57,919
that's what vandenberg is and that

491
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,720
that was that was an eye-opener

492
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,559
so uh

493
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,600
we we go down we go down to this beach

494
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,760
vandenberg beach which is right next to

495
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,600
where the launch is

496
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,440
and we are the only people there it's

497
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,360
just us in security

498
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,679
there's like six of us eight of us

499
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:16,840
and

500
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,400
posted on youtube i'm gonna run the

501
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,000
video now

502
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,039
um and then i'll share my comments uh

503
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,320
with you afterwards but uh here is the

504
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:31,679
video

505
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:35,919
and uh let me get this up and running

506
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,870
i want to thank elon musk for clearing

507
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,799
out the beach for us today

508
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,880
we're the only ones here

509
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,840
and the rocket is sitting

510
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,159
right out there

511
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,760
you can see it

512
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,240
and it's just us

513
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,360
and a block of seagulls

514
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,919
we're here at vandenberg rent a beach at

515
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:06,400
vandenberg about five miles away and you

516
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,590
steam up

517
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:18,310
and it's liftoff

518
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:35,909
look how bright it is

519
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:36,789
oh

520
00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:50,310
[Music]

521
00:25:50,320 --> 00:26:00,870
i can feel the heat

522
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:20,630
oh that is crazy

523
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:22,830
is that majestic or

524
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:40,520
[Music]

525
00:26:45,360 --> 00:27:03,110
i hope somebody got the first half

526
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:33,350
is

527
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,269
that was the most amazing thing i've

528
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:37,840
ever seen in my life

529
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:16,789
is

530
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:19,269
so now what about the booster we're not

531
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:39,590
[Music]

532
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:41,350
that was amazing

533
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,039
brad was that amazing mind-blowing

534
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,960
you can't believe it how about the

535
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,120
thunder in the chest the thunder in the

536
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,320
chest huh yeah wow once it kicks in you

537
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,240
know something serious is going on you

538
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,120
know you know the trippy part for me

539
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,159
was how bright

540
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,679
you know orange

541
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,480
yellow it was like super bright almost

542
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,000
white

543
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,799
crazy crazy

544
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,159
wow that was

545
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:13,120
that was amazing spacex

546
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,159
here at

547
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,880
vandenberg space force base

548
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:19,200
and here with brad harris of course hey

549
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,080
brad

550
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,240
great day man right on thanks for coming

551
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,399
out and uh we'll have to do this again

552
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,360
next time this is incredible and now i'm

553
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,880
gonna hit the uh

554
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,559
space force

555
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,159
gift shop

556
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,480
yeah gotta get a hat i'll see you guys

557
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:36,240
brad say yo

558
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,789
so there you go it was incredible and i

559
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,039
i will say this

560
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,760
uh with with everything and how it went

561
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:50,640
down

562
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,559
um i didn't expect uh the brightness

563
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,360
you know

564
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,919
everything on tv and videos it's toned

565
00:30:00,950 --> 00:30:00,000
down like this video here it's toned

566
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:00,960
down

567
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,480
in person holy mackerel man so bright uh

568
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:05,919
it was

569
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,360
um but the but the other thing and this

570
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,320
video uh no adjustments on the volume

571
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,880
what you hear is is how it went down so

572
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,640
it was quite you know and then then the

573
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,159
sound hit

574
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,240
and the vibrate

575
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,039
was not prepared for that

576
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uh do you see these videos on tv and as

577
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cool as they are and you see the movies

578
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and

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anyway

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um

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i'm driving back uh i'm driving back

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home it's a three-hour drive

583
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,200
and i'm driving back and and then it

584
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,279
popped in my head

585
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:44,640
gattaca

586
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,039
for real

587
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,240
and so i was talking to uh the security

588
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,720
forces uh there

589
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,559
and you guys saw me post the pictures

590
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and stuff

591
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,000
and and i asked i said how was how

592
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,279
exciting

593
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,519
is this for you guys

594
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,200
and everybody said the same thing man we

595
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:07,760
do this like twice a month man

596
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,000
it was like it was like that

597
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,240
yeah it's cool i guess you know but we

598
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do it all the time

599
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,240
and i i can't get over it so we're

600
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:21,039
invited back uh to go and watch the sls

601
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,080
launch

602
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,559
um in september and i'm not gonna miss

603
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,480
that there is no way

604
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,720
but i've officially scratched and

605
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checked a box

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on the bucket list this is fade to black

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i am your host jimmy church tonight

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right here

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dr jonathan reed

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church we'll be right back after

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jonathan reed on the game changer and on

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comments and we're listening to jimmy

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church radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy churchill what a

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great week we've got lined up

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00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,520
even though i'm taking tomorrow night

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off tonight dr jonathan reed is finally

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here

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00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,440
we're going to be talking about his 1996

710
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,800
et encounter

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00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
tomorrow night i'm off while i'm still

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working and then wednesday night adam

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apollo is back we're going to be

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discussing the science

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00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,640
and the search

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for e.t all of that is wednesday night

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thursday it's another fader night with

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open lines all night long tonight it's

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00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,079
dr jonathan reed on october 15 1996 what

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00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,079
all began as an innocent afternoon day

721
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,760
hike in a nearby forest in seattle

722
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
washington everything changed jonathan

723
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,839
came face to face and directly

724
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,880
encountered an extraterrestrial creature

725
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,000
since 1996 dr rita spent the last 27

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00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,560
years lecturing to thousands in person

727
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,560
and on international television radio

728
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,960
and internet broadcast his experience

729
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,520
has yielded more documented verified

730
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,520
evidence than any other close encounter

731
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,880
case in history

732
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,640
the only case with verified

733
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:05,040
authenticated documented photographs and

734
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,160
video

735
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,359
and you can go and follow jonathan over

736
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,680
on facebook i've got the links for that

737
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,079
uh down below and also over on social

738
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,160
media and i would like to welcome for

739
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,320
the first time to fade to black dr

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00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,720
jonathan reed jonathan how you doing

741
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,839
young man

742
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:24,240
very good jimmy thank you can you hear

743
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,359
me okay

744
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,920
we got you loud and clear i just want to

745
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,240
say thank you for this opportunity i

746
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,240
know it's been a long time coming i

747
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,960
apologize for that but thank you for

748
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,960
reaching out to me and making this

749
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:39,920
happen i'm i'm glad to be here

750
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,760
and uh i support your efforts to try to

751
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,079
bring you know some of this to life so

752
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,320
thank you yeah and and thank you for

753
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,160
that and i really appreciate it before

754
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,880
we get started though you get the first

755
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:55,040
time guest disclaimer

756
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,920
okay

757
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,200
yeah here we go

758
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,599
uh dr reed is just you and i sitting on

759
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,520
my couch having a conversation as

760
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,119
friends and where that conversation

761
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,760
starts it starts where it ends it ends

762
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,680
but we're gonna end his friends there

763
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:10,320
you go well we're all ready to do it but

764
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:13,359
we're we'll continue to be friends how's

765
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,160
that so um uh okay before we get started

766
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:20,480
and i'm gonna let everybody know

767
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,359
uh

768
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:23,920
that there this is probably gonna be

769
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,040
part one of a two-part uh show there's

770
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,560
so much to cover

771
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,560
uh we'll get as much in as we can

772
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:32,079
tonight and then

773
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,880
uh

774
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,320
we're gonna do another show and we're

775
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:36,560
already uh working on that now but

776
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,870
you have found the fountain of youth

777
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,800
and you're not sure

778
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:46,720
and um

779
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:51,200
you look exactly the same as you did uh

780
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,640
27 years ago so yeah right

781
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,880
and and so um

782
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,599
if

783
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:59,520
you die the mustache

784
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,400
no

785
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:01,520
you don't

786
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,320
know

787
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,480
that's incredible i mean that's a can

788
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,720
can i tell everybody how old you are

789
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,400
sure

790
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,800
dr reed is 70 years old

791
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,400
70.

792
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,440
man i mean you know what

793
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,720
it's impressive i don't know

794
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,200
they're living through chemistry

795
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,119
yeah yeah fair enough fair enough fair

796
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,800
enough um

797
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,319
uh

798
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,040
again send me whatever you're drinking i

799
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,200
i just want i want a few sips of it

800
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,720
because well dan aykroyd vodka

801
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,800
i've got i've got many bottles of that

802
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,480
so that's the secret

803
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,040
he's my friend and he is a great

804
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,240
producer of one of the world's best

805
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,359
vodkas

806
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,760
so i recommend that yeah it's it's

807
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,200
amazing vodka

808
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,359
i'm a big vodka guy

809
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,680
and you know you can buy this you know

810
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,440
yeah expensive bottles of vodka and then

811
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,280
you drink the acroid you're like well

812
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,319
okay

813
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,800
right and it's in a crystal skull it's a

814
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:02,160
beautiful

815
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,200
uh

816
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,640
bottle so it's worth keeping i also a

817
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:08,560
friend of mine gifted me

818
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,319
his uh agave uh vodka

819
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,480
it's in a black skull

820
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,960
right so i had it's pretty good too as

821
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,680
well it's sweet it's sweet but really

822
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:20,640
really

823
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,200
your secret

824
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,280
chilled vodka shots

825
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:28,560
um

826
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,000
the i i think it goes without saying

827
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,760
that um i have been asked many times

828
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,240
over the years uh jimmy

829
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,480
you know you and art bell uh what what

830
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,079
was your favorite you know what's your

831
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,839
favorite art bell moment

832
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,640
and i go boop boop boop you know and you

833
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,440
are always you know you're right there

834
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:52,000
you're one of the first things uh that i

835
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,119
mentioned

836
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,560
and uh that that show

837
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,440
um at that time shows i should say uh

838
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,560
plural but certainly the first show

839
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,359
at that time the internet

840
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,160
was in its infancy was just starting and

841
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:11,839
and art uh embraced the internet

842
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,680
and along with that broadcast

843
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,480
were your images that started to come

844
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,839
out on the net

845
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,200
and all of that painted a picture you

846
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,720
know it's theater of the mind right

847
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
where we are absolutely yeah and it uh

848
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,319
it is something that has uh profoundly

849
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,480
moved to me over these years

850
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,040
and uh i always wanted to talk to you

851
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,599
and here we are 27 years later and i've

852
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,520
got the opportunity to do this so i want

853
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,760
to say thank you the honor and privilege

854
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,839
is is

855
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,920
mine no it's my honor to be with you and

856
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,839
and i'd like to say

857
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,920
please jump in in and out in this

858
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,920
conversation as we're having it as

859
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:54,960
friends but i need to say that

860
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,440
if it wasn't for art bell i wouldn't be

861
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,400
here

862
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,800
if it wasn't for a few other select

863
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,839
people

864
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,560
who helped me get here

865
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,200
who have since passed

866
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,400
robert

867
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,760
wraith my

868
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:12,560
partner for 25 years

869
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,640
passed in 2020 in december

870
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:17,920
um

871
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,960
i've been lost without him

872
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,280
we were writing another book i will

873
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,359
finish it but it's going to now take

874
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,960
some time to

875
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,400
go back and and rekindle some of that

876
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,359
art bell truly was a pioneer

877
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,119
uh had the

878
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,160
gumption and the the balls to take

879
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,440
stories

880
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,319
of the paranormal and give people a

881
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,560
chance to tell

882
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,599
what they knew what they felt about it

883
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:49,119
and that

884
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,960
i prior to this i wasn't into ufology i

885
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,920
i really i was a doctor developmental

886
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,400
psychiatric child development working in

887
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,800
a major hospital university washington

888
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,319
medical center

889
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,560
uh just to give you a little background

890
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,480
of my bio

891
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,359
i started in san diego state university

892
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,000
graduating with a special education

893
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,520
teaching degree

894
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,560
i was fortunate to spend time

895
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,560
with some

896
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,040
people in the summer where they owned a

897
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,520
summer camp for for kids with

898
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,160
disabilities i worked at had been

899
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,040
working out a couple of years and the

900
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,160
head of that pulled me aside and said

901
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,280
jonathan

902
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,280
what are you going to do with your life

903
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,960
and at the time i thought well i'm going

904
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,319
to be a teacher

905
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,800
and he said what if there was more what

906
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,280
if you had the opportunity

907
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,800
to do more

908
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,040
and i said well you know

909
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:48,960
tell me what you have in mind and he

910
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,240
said well i'd like you to pursue

911
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,599
psychiatric care and psychology if i can

912
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,480
help you would you be willing and i said

913
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,400
yeah absolutely

914
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,839
so i transferred to

915
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,760
cucla and

916
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,839
started in on their

917
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,480
pre-med program

918
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,880
loved it

919
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:15,200
prior to that i was kind of a mediocre

920
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,480
student

921
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,520
at that point i excelled got into their

922
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,440
med school program

923
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,880
transferred to the university of

924
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:25,680
washington and graduated from all three

925
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,870
i love what i do

926
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,800
working with kids developmental

927
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,680
psychiatrics child development

928
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:39,200
was my

929
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,040
and

930
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,640
i was a natural at it as well as being

931
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,880
truly

932
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,079
appliable to the situation i could get

933
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,720
in and talk with kids on their own

934
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,119
levels and do some

935
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,680
fantastic things with the grace of god

936
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,880
and a great team you can do miraculous

937
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,000
things

938
00:46:10,349 --> 00:46:06,240
i did that

939
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:16,470
1885 till the time i left in 96

940
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,200
when this event happened on october 15

941
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,920
1996 which was a tuesday

942
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,760
i had been working

943
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:28,480
probably six days a week almost 10 hours

944
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,950
there was a lot to be

945
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,960
to be had as work

946
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,920
both through the university of

947
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,319
washington medical school and children's

948
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,200
orthopedic hospital which i worked in

949
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,440
between the two

950
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,440
my my staff

951
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,920
was made up of about eight to nine

952
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,880
people

953
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,920
who

954
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,560
i was their department head

955
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,920
in the end i loved what i did people

956
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,760
either loved to work with me or they

957
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,800
hated me because i had certain styles

958
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,520
and ability to work that i felt

959
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,760
really functionally worked with patient

960
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:08,960
care

961
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,880
um so that was my life and i loved it i

962
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,599
was living what i considered to be

963
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:17,839
my american dream

964
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,839
i had a good status in the community and

965
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:22,960
in my

966
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,790
you reach a pinnacle

967
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,359
where you feel like you're blessed

968
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,960
because you have

969
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,119
everything you need and and you've

970
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,480
earned that right you you've achieved

971
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,359
something beyond what you ever expected

972
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:45,839
to be able to achieve and at the same

973
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,069
if you if you could uh jonathan pull the

974
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,480
camera closer to you for the microphone

975
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,200
so it can just be a little bit better

976
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,720
um

977
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,000
and uh

978
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,559
let me uh let me actually start here

979
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,760
because

980
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,559
as you're going through um the

981
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,280
educational system and and and getting

982
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:11,280
uh your credentials and stuff

983
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,839
did you have any uh interest in in ufos

984
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,800
did you

985
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,359
the subject

986
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,160
no in fact it's odd

987
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,000
because i was barely

988
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:25,440
had time

989
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:32,470
i didn't even like science fiction to be

990
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,000
honest with you because i was so busy

991
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,040
in being involved in my career in in all

992
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,160
the advocacy of that career it needs an

993
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,800
ongoing education and you're constantly

994
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,119
learning learning from your peers and

995
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,720
from every other source which being in

996
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,400
conjunction with the university

997
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,480
washington medical school which i taught

998
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:55,359
at

999
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,200
you just are immersed in your field

1000
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,800
and i liked it so much i tended not to

1001
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,359
shy too much away from that

1002
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,200
my hobbies were

1003
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,040
community efforts

1004
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:14,480
and personally i was into sports cars i

1005
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,839
decided that if i ever reached the point

1006
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,640
where i could flirt it i would start

1007
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,680
having

1008
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,839
some of the cars that i wanted that i

1009
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,200
admired the

1010
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:26,960
engineering and

1011
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:31,920
and the the beauty of these older sleek

1012
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,680
cars and i so i started to acquire them

1013
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:36,640
and

1014
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,559
literally

1015
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,520
having friends of mine rebuild them who

1016
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,319
are mechanics i was a weekend mechanic

1017
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,520
and i facilitated and kind of

1018
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:52,559
orchestrated what needed to be done i'd

1019
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,839
buy them i'd sell them i drive them for

1020
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,079
sometimes as little as a month and then

1021
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,880
move on and buy another one to the point

1022
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,079
where i had made a little profit so i

1023
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:06,720
was driving on profit but that was my

1024
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,760
hobby and the other hobby was music

1025
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,000
i had a friend who was a keyboard

1026
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,839
specialist who had been all around the

1027
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,559
world working with different bands

1028
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,359
and him and i

1029
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,839
being as close as we were lived in the

1030
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,480
same city we decided to

1031
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:27,599
build a digital studio which was now

1032
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,559
just coming into its own

1033
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,559
we could afford it

1034
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,920
to have this as a real serious hobby so

1035
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:38,559
we took our time and built

1036
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,040
a 100 channel analog and digital studio

1037
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,319
and with that we pursued our

1038
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,319
our love of music

1039
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:51,040
and development and writing

1040
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,599
i can write music but also play i was

1041
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,079
forced to play classical piano when i

1042
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,319
was young which i

1043
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,280
salute to my mother for giving that that

1044
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,520
ability um

1045
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:08,480
and we just loved this we loved it as an

1046
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,440
escape from the real world into the

1047
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,640
world of

1048
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,079
an artistic

1049
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,160
ability working with some of the

1050
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:19,200
greatest artists that were in our city

1051
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:22,960
in and around seattle washington

1052
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,920
uh one of them that comes

1053
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,440
nancy

1054
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,800
the hearts

1055
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:31,119
heart to heart music

1056
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,319
we knew

1057
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,040
uh among many others

1058
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,559
and we built all kinds of film score

1059
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,599
music which we ended up being able to

1060
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,480
produce and sell to some

1061
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,119
independent filmmakers and that it was

1062
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,480
done as a love it wasn't done as a job

1063
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,800
uh after the fact so

1064
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,280
so if you built a digital studio this is

1065
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,680
curious to me um because i'm in the

1066
00:52:03,349 --> 00:51:59,200
business too

1067
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,359
um and that revolution uh started in in

1068
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:04,960
93

1069
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,880
uh 94 alesis and the ads and pro tools

1070
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,520
uh started to session eight

1071
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,040
and that stuff was launched then your

1072
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,079
your encounter was in 1996

1073
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:19,680
yes um

1074
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,440
so that was the period right uh

1075
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,559
for about 10 years we had been

1076
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,119
making music on the side like we were

1077
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:31,520
weekend musicians right

1078
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:35,040
my friend had a studio beautiful studio

1079
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,920
built on his

1080
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,480
homestead

1081
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,359
so it was easy access there was nothing

1082
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,040
to rent we bought all the

1083
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:45,440
state-of-the-art equipment

1084
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,800
we had every name brand you can believe

1085
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,119
my friend worked for the phone company

1086
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,920
as an engineer as well as a keyboard

1087
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:54,960
player

1088
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,680
and so he knew his stuff

1089
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,640
his wife was a computer technician

1090
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:03,359
she knew her stuff so the integration of

1091
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,520
all these loves and abilities produced a

1092
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,119
pretty uh

1093
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:11,599
pretty kick-ass studio if i will say so

1094
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,119
myself yeah right on right on and

1095
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,160
obviously you can see what i have here i

1096
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,440
gotta exactly i admire i admire what

1097
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,119
you've done and what you

1098
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,920
you have and i can certainly

1099
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:27,440
sympathize

1100
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:31,119
and understand how that is such a

1101
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,240
a nice

1102
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,720
alternative to go to

1103
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,280
i was never what i consider to be a good

1104
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,440
musician i can play

1105
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,200
a little bit of a lot of things but my

1106
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,160
forte was just the love of the process i

1107
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,680
learned the engineering from my friend

1108
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,440
who him and i

1109
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,160
developed this ability we

1110
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,200
did record some other people's music so

1111
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,920
i was able to be part of that

1112
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,319
uh as an engineer

1113
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,800
and we even brought in

1114
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:07,680
symphony members to play string parts

1115
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,880
and oboe parts so we had live

1116
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,000
real

1117
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,920
non-synthetic

1118
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,000
parts to our music

1119
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,040
it's easy to synthesize but the warmth

1120
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,760
coming from the real instrumentation is

1121
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,160
incredible as you know yeah something

1122
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,559
has been lost these days uh with that

1123
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,000
and there's nothing like a a real band

1124
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,000
um oh just like anything else we live in

1125
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:33,839
a digital world today

1126
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,040
well you know movies well i i love

1127
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,280
uh the technology

1128
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,480
you know what i love a good cg fight a

1129
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,520
couple of cartoon robots going at it for

1130
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,960
some reason

1131
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,960
i'm entertained by that

1132
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,960
i know it's not real

1133
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,200
but it's it's it's it's where we are

1134
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,040
today you know it's part of it we live

1135
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,119
in a digital world i wanted to ask you

1136
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,240
this um as we uh we're gonna uh come up

1137
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,520
on a break

1138
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your home um uh you know with the

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freezer right that home

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um

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00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,640
where was that in in seattle what part

1142
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:11,760
of town

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00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:14,799
west seattle toward alki point

1144
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,079
is where i i grew up and had a homestead

1145
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,400
my parents grew up in that area

1146
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,160
my father was

1147
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,200
a seattleite from birth my mother

1148
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,720
was swedish

1149
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,200
and had a michigan heritage

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00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,040
so um

1151
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,920
my dad was jewish had a light jewish

1152
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,000
background my mother had a christian

1153
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:38,000
background so i had the best of both

1154
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,119
worlds

1155
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,559
uh religion was never forced on us

1156
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,079
past the

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00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,000
early age of

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00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,119
nine or ten going to sunday school

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00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,839
but i did learn both religions and

1160
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,200
pursued

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00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,880
it as an adult learning all i could both

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00:56:07,030 --> 00:55:57,839
from

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00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,040
so i have an open mind i am not into

1164
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,920
organized religion i am into

1165
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:12,240
spiritualism as a

1166
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,200
as a

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00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:15,200
light side of thing

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00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:18,640
i try to look every at everything as a

1169
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,400
as an engineer or a scientist versus a

1170
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,319
theologian

1171
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,040
which i'm not i've gotten help from

1172
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:30,079
people who were professionals in

1173
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:32,240
religion because at times i had

1174
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,359
questions

1175
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,839
like that we all do and i think it's

1176
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,319
good to question everything i believe

1177
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:40,799
that but i also know there's a lot i

1178
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,359
don't know and i'm willing to say that

1179
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,079
whether it's about my own experiences

1180
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,040
or anything else in my life but when i

1181
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:52,559
don't know i admit it and i try to seek

1182
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,000
out those who can re-support

1183
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,760
my ideas and give me an education on

1184
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,880
what's going on i want to know i want to

1185
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,359
know just as much as anybody wants to

1186
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,319
know

1187
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,720
and let me say this too

1188
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,799
when this all happened to me

1189
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,440
i was a doctor i loved my life the way

1190
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,880
it was i was very content and my world

1191
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,680
was turned upside down in a matter of

1192
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,799
hours

1193
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,319
to where i i could not even believe that

1194
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:26,880
this was happening that this paradigm

1195
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,359
had shifted so greatly

1196
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,559
180 degrees

1197
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,200
to where i felt out of my element

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00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,720
uncomfortable

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00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:39,520
unsure of what i was even experiencing

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00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:42,880
at all whether i had lost my

1201
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,480
concept of logic altogether so i

1202
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:49,359
questioned everything that was going on

1203
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,040
but nevertheless i had to continue i had

1204
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,640
to survive

1205
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:56,960
and that's what i was doing i was

1206
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,319
literally going step by step

1207
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,440
to to just get through it if nothing

1208
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,240
else and then later on going back and

1209
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,720
reflecting on you know what was it

1210
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,280
exactly that happened because i didn't

1211
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,480
know

1212
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,000
it was extremely emotional and extremely

1213
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,000
difficult for me

1214
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,799
people have a tendency to think oh well

1215
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:21,599
he's

1216
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:26,799
for doing this i'm not

1217
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,079
i am just a normal guy who was so much

1218
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,440
out of my element that i had to regroup

1219
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,760
minute to minute i had to

1220
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:38,480
revert back to thinking about things in

1221
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,839
my life that made sense just for me to

1222
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:43,440
stay

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00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,319
in

1224
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,359
stay with some sanity some logic of what

1225
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,520
was going on and that's the only way i

1226
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,359
have survived

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00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,599
the um the day

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00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,359
uh when we come back after the break

1229
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,480
we're going to get uh straight into uh

1230
00:59:03,109 --> 00:58:59,359
the

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00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,119
but uh let me ask you this i've got 60

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00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,200
seconds before the break when you woke

1233
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:08,880
up that morning right october 1996

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00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,760
anything seem different to you

1235
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,480
no

1236
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:14,400
in fact my life

1237
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,160
was so much a routine my hours were

1238
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,400
literally set up for me to go to the

1239
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,680
hospital to work my 10 or 12 hours to

1240
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,400
come home to have breaks to have lunch

1241
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,520
take care of my dog and my family my

1242
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,760
mother and father at the time were still

1243
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:32,799
alive

1244
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,760
i had a girlfriend that i was

1245
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,799
madly in love with that i thought was my

1246
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:40,559
life

1247
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,640
and but nothing changed that day other

1248
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:47,680
than

1249
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,040
i decided it was a nice day it was a

1250
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,960
nice fall day

1251
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,839
and my dog susie my golden retriever

1252
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,400
seven-year-old gold retriever who was my

1253
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,440
companion everywhere i went in my work

1254
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,440
and driving in the car

1255
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,960
everywhere she was almost like a a child

1256
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,920
to me

1257
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,280
um everyone loved her i just decided you

1258
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,920
know what we're gonna go for a hike go

1259
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:16,079
for a run like we had so many other

1260
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,240
times to a place a pristine place in the

1261
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,319
in the forest nearby

1262
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,960
where i worked and lived

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01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:26,880
so that day

1264
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,599
was normal like any other

1265
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,280
until

1266
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,720
2 57 in the afternoon

1267
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:36,720
okay let's take our break right here

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01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,520
this is fade to black our guest tonight

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01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,079
dr jonathan reed i am your host jimmy

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01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,960
church tonight after 27 years i finally

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01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:46,799
get a chance to sit down and talk to dr

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01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,839
reed

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01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,000
and when we come back after the break

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01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:52,160
we're gonna get straight to the events

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01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,359
of that day

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01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,119
this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,670
all right welcome back fate to block i'm

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01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:05,039
your host jimmy church tonight dr

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01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:08,720
jonathan reed is with us

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01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:13,440
27 years ago i heard uh dr reed on coast

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01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:15,040
to coast with arbel

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01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:16,559
[Music]

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01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,160
changed me profound impact

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01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,920
here we are so many years later he is

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now a guest on fade to black this is

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01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,280
amazing

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01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:27,200
and uh

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01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:30,839
right before the break i had asked dr

1381
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:34,559
reed uh was the day any different

1382
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,520
right

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01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:37,839
did you notice anything different

1384
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,960
and that's where we left off and well

1385
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:43,039
his answer was no it's just just another

1386
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:44,160
day

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01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,839
you get your golden retriever susie

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01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,520
right right

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01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,640
and uh and i have uh

1390
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,200
uh an image here let me uh let me pop

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01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,400
this up uh for everybody so you can

1392
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:02,160
uh see

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01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:03,280
susie

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01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,440
this uh

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01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,599
this is i keep calling it the freezer

1396
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,440
house right but

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01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,480
yes no that's that's not the place oh

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01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,640
that's it that's something

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01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,280
that was at a friend's house but uh

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,599
susie was a golden seven-year-old golden

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01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:24,480
retriever that i've had for about

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01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,520
uh

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01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:28,319
six and three quarter years i found her

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01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,359
she adopted me she turned up on my

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01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,480
doorstep one rainy night i took her in

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01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,160
and she never left

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01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:38,559
she was a brilliant dog

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01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:42,799
truly dedicated and kind and gentle i

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01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,480
mean if somebody would have broken to my

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01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,640
house she would have probably licked

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01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,880
them to death in happiness

1412
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,920
but

1413
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:51,440
not aggressive

1414
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:54,839
but just a wonderful wonderful

1415
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,960
dog so uh let's start here uh

1416
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:01,200
you you head out for this hike

1417
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:02,160
um

1418
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,520
okay i was at work i happened to be at

1419
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:09,280
work and uh

1420
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:10,480
it was about

1421
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:11,280
1

1422
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:16,319
decided i didn't have a lot of work to

1423
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,400
do on schedule so i told

1424
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,279
my

1425
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,080
executive assistant clear the board i'm

1426
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,400
gonna i'll work tomorrow

1427
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,560
and i'm going away we're just gonna go

1428
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,560
for a ride i needed to go to the bank i

1429
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,120
need to run some errands and as i was

1430
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,159
doing that i just made the decision hey

1431
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:38,960
let's go where we always go let's go to

1432
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,239
the woods about 45 minutes drive away

1433
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,920
from where i worked

1434
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,960
uh

1435
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,880
susie's sitting right next to me in the

1436
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,520
passenger seat in my jeep

1437
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,480
uh we drove we went to the forest we

1438
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,440
parked my jeep where we always did

1439
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,719
we've done this many times before

1440
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,239
this was in

1441
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:02,400
snoqualmie

1442
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,040
pass area which is again about 50 miles

1443
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,199
east of seattle

1444
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,759
uh it's a very

1445
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,080
beautiful pristine

1446
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,719
area right at the tree line

1447
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:19,920
uh old growth forest

1448
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,440
not a park as such but since then has

1449
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,199
become more so

1450
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,159
but at the time it was a closed logging

1451
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,120
road where i parked my jeep and we just

1452
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,759
got out and started walking at that

1453
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:34,799
point

1454
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,839
uh you know dogs run and it's a good

1455
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,719
place for a dog to be off the leash

1456
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,199
to run and jump and be

1457
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,640
be do dog stuff that they always do

1458
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:48,880
and like i said she was a wonderful dog

1459
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:51,920
she'd run after squirrels and raccoons

1460
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:55,679
uh just to play just very playful uh

1461
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,679
bark occasionally in excitement but

1462
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,560
not an aggressive dog at all

1463
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:05,280
and we'd done this for a little over an

1464
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,199
hour from walking this beautiful path

1465
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,280
in the wilderness i had taken some

1466
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,440
pictures of some gear

1467
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,280
during this time

1468
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,560
and

1469
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,880
like i said we've done this many times

1470
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,360
well all of a sudden susie

1471
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:23,840
took off running which wasn't unusual

1472
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:26,560
she'd done that before out of my sight

1473
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,400
but i could hear her um

1474
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:33,120
but the barking changed her barking

1475
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,800
sound changed became more aggressive

1476
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,640
more severe

1477
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,600
which gave me cause to wonder to be

1478
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,600
concerned but not

1479
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,040
excessively

1480
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,120
because you know it would stop she'd

1481
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,040
come running back everything would be

1482
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,880
fine but this time

1483
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:52,719
she didn't come earning back and the

1484
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,840
barking changed the tone

1485
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:58,239
when you have a dog you learn their

1486
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,520
voices you learn to appreciate

1487
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:02,640
what

1488
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,719
verbalizing and i could tell

1489
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:09,360
this was different either something had

1490
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,400
her

1491
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,280
treat or backed up in a corner or she

1492
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,440
was treeing something

1493
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:18,480
uh we have cats wild cats in the area we

1494
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:21,840
have raccoons we have even bear a lot of

1495
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,920
bear so and this was late in the season

1496
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:28,320
like i said october 15th

1497
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,840
it was an overcast day but it was a warm

1498
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,360
warm late

1499
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:36,400
indian summer kind of that year

1500
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:37,440
so

1501
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:42,239
down the path

1502
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,840
to see if i could you know untangle her

1503
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,120
if she had

1504
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:50,080
become involved with some kind of a wild

1505
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,360
critter

1506
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,679
and i couldn't find her but i could hear

1507
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,640
her and the barking progressed in such a

1508
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,520
way that i did become very very

1509
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:00,960
concerned

1510
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:03,920
i got to a point where i found a tree

1511
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:06,880
branch laying along the path that was

1512
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:09,760
about six feet long and about the same

1513
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:12,560
diameter as a baseball bat

1514
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,960
and i figured okay i'm going to pick

1515
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,760
this up in case i have to untangle her

1516
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,960
from this

1517
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:21,679
event whatever it might be whatever she

1518
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,280
might be doing the tree canopy and the

1519
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:27,760
ground cover the foliage on the ground

1520
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,199
is very dense different from many places

1521
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:33,840
in the united states

1522
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,840
very thick and and it provides cover to

1523
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,480
where you can't see sometimes what's in

1524
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:42,640
front of 10 feet

1525
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,239
and i continued to vector in on her

1526
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,000
sound to just

1527
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,719
follow the sound of her barking which

1528
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,800
now became yelping

1529
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:55,440
in in desperation

1530
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,480
so i ran i dropped my daypack

1531
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,280
and i ran to where up to the top of this

1532
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,159
rise and i knew she was really really

1533
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,360
close there was dense bushes all around

1534
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,199
me and i just thought okay i'm going to

1535
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,600
go right down through this

1536
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,840
thicket through these bushes

1537
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,920
and it's where i heard all this

1538
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,600
commotion

1539
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,080
and it was loud and it was fierce and it

1540
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,440
was it was scary it was very aggressive

1541
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,000
so i crashed through the bushes

1542
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:28,960
and right in front of me not six feet in

1543
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,199
front of me i could see her with

1544
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:34,800
this small

1545
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:35,840
figure

1546
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:38,719
something that i i didn't know what it

1547
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,640
was it was childlike in size it was very

1548
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:44,800
dark

1549
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,960
be two arms and two legs but very small

1550
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,159
like four to five feet at the most in

1551
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,280
height but what was curious is she had

1552
01:14:03,110 --> 01:13:59,040
it looked like

1553
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,120
my dog had this creature by the arm by

1554
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:04,480
the wrist

1555
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:07,840
and at that second i saw him

1556
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,760
throw my dog back and forth with one arm

1557
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,120
like this

1558
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,840
so fast that it became nothing but a

1559
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,880
blur

1560
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,040
and i could hear her growling and

1561
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:22,960
yelping and he stopped for a second

1562
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:26,320
something reached out from this black

1563
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:30,560
arm this black suit covering 99 of his

1564
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,560
body grabbing the top of her head and

1565
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,440
tearing her head in half

1566
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:39,440
blood sinew

1567
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,320
everything being spread all over with

1568
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,360
just the pressure of her body

1569
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:48,320
her blood pressure spraying blood

1570
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,840
everywhere killing her as she screamed

1571
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:53,040
in pain

1572
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,640
this was the most terrible thing

1573
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,800
i had ever seen

1574
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:00,400
and it it

1575
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:03,840
traumatized me was i in shock well i was

1576
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,760
then and all that was in my mind was i

1577
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:10,560
gotta stop this and i yelled

1578
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,400
frantically susie let go let go

1579
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,520
because i thought she had him by the arm

1580
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,640
but in effect he had her

1581
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,679
and at that point her body started to

1582
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,120
fall

1583
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:27,920
and gelatinized

1584
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,600
almost imploding into a hole that opened

1585
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:33,920
up in her neck

1586
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,000
a very surreal unreal looking thing that

1587
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:42,080
her body started folding in on this hole

1588
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,199
and she became smaller smaller smaller

1589
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,080
and finally falling to the ground in a

1590
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:50,560
white ash a white

1591
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:54,400
dense powdery ash on the ground

1592
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,000
insanity this was insane i took another

1593
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:01,920
step grabbed this branch and hit this

1594
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,120
creature in the head as hard as i could

1595
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,080
because to me i was next it was going to

1596
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:10,159
kill me next and i was going to kill it

1597
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:15,750
okay so

1598
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:18,880
yeah yeah i mean it look

1599
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,679
we're all happening within seconds i

1600
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:24,080
mean seconds

1601
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,760
and uh

1602
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:27,360
the

1603
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,239
through all of that now now you're in

1604
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:34,560
i'm guessing here but now you're an

1605
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,679
autopilot right absolutely yeah you're

1606
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,120
not completely

1607
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,920
i was in shock i was not thinking this

1608
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:43,199
was not a

1609
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:46,960
foresight of conclusion to do this i

1610
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,920
don't even know what took over in me

1611
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:52,400
other than rage

1612
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,360
to see

1613
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,920
something brutally torn apart in front

1614
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,360
of you

1615
01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:59,120
causes

1616
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,360
nothing but insanity in your mind to to

1617
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,080
take over and either defend yourself or

1618
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,159
defend what's going on

1619
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:10,080
to the person or the

1620
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:13,520
the dog that was my person that was my

1621
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:15,600
child for so long

1622
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:19,040
i wanted to kill this thing as best i

1623
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,480
could

1624
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:23,440
and and so what took over was just this

1625
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:27,840
raw emotion not foresight not logic

1626
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,280
it just was emotion i hid it in the head

1627
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:33,440
i almost missed it

1628
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:36,239
when i swung this thing i swung at one

1629
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:39,280
time and connected with the back of its

1630
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:42,960
skull which split its skull open blood

1631
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,560
sinew fluid brain cranial material

1632
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:48,719
flying all over

1633
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:52,000
on me on the ground and it fell back and

1634
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,239
as it fell back it screamed this just

1635
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,480
insane scream

1636
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,080
but so did i

1637
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,120
mine was in triumph for hitting it for

1638
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,560
knocking it down and at that same exact

1639
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:08,080
moment

1640
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:11,520
i fell to the ground to me in sickness

1641
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:15,600
cryptic crippling sickness hit my body

1642
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,880
so much

1643
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:18,640
that it it

1644
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,239
kind of shocked me because as the branch

1645
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:24,719
connected to its head

1646
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:29,040
i immediately became ill violently ill

1647
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:30,640
diarrhea

1648
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:33,840
breathing beyond any capacity that i

1649
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:36,719
could have imagined hyperventilating

1650
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,320
stomach problems throwing up i all my

1651
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,040
muscle control left my body and i fell

1652
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:45,920
to my knees in this moment and i could

1653
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:49,120
not get up i could not stop panting

1654
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,960
trying to breathe i thought i was gonna

1655
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,159
die

1656
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,800
i actually thought this is the death of

1657
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,159
me

1658
01:19:02,630 --> 01:18:58,800
and i couldn't realize what was going on

1659
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:02,640
nothing fit in this paradigm the ground

1660
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,159
felt spongy and wet and damp and the

1661
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:08,960
sound of this whole arena that i was

1662
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:11,360
used to with birds and

1663
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,320
air

1664
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:14,000
going through the trees

1665
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:17,600
was gone all of those sounds were gone

1666
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:20,960
as if this area had been a dead dead

1667
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:24,880
zone so i was out of my element i was

1668
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:27,679
totally and i couldn't move i was on the

1669
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:31,040
ground face to face not three feet

1670
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,560
from the face

1671
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:34,239
of this creature

1672
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:37,600
was the creature uh moving at this point

1673
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:41,040
no as far as i was concerned it was dead

1674
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,080
it was dead

1675
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:44,719
the the hole in the back of his head was

1676
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:47,120
enormous it was two and a half by three

1677
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:48,159
inches

1678
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,199
in diameter there was a skull flap and

1679
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,199
skin pulled back

1680
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,239
and cranial material brain material

1681
01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:58,880
oozing from the hole so

1682
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,159
i had no feeling other and it wasn't

1683
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,040
breathing i could not see breathing or

1684
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:07,040
moving in any way

1685
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:08,400
so i feel

1686
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:11,360
it was dead and i was happy

1687
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:15,120
we have some images of of

1688
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,400
of the back of uh the creature's head

1689
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:20,719
we'll show that in in a bit

1690
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:24,719
um what what happens next

1691
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,159
next thing is i i just tried to regain a

1692
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,320
little bit of composure i tried to slow

1693
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,239
my breathing down because i knew if i

1694
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:35,600
didn't i would go into terrible shock

1695
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,719
so i tried to slow down not even

1696
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,440
thinking about really what was happening

1697
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,920
because my mind didn't want to go there

1698
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:46,400
that would have taken me over the edge

1699
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,520
again

1700
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,480
uh what about uh the thought of a a

1701
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:52,880
second creature or a third

1702
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,960
i i did not i did not impose that all i

1703
01:21:02,470 --> 01:20:59,520
was dealing with one and the one that i

1704
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,480
was dealing with was for my best ability

1705
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:05,760
was dead in front of me so i no longer

1706
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,560
was concerned with that as much as i was

1707
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:10,800
concerned with my own body

1708
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,400
i i had this feeling of having a heart

1709
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,480
attack

1710
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:19,360
and and just going into shock was what i

1711
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,239
was scared of jimmy this is

1712
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,880
50 miles from the nearest

1713
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,520
facility that i could go in a hospital

1714
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,159
this was out in the middle of the forest

1715
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:32,800
and i had walked for an hour

1716
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,679
before where i parked my my jeep to

1717
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:37,679
where this occurred

1718
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:40,840
and i noticed my watch had stopped

1719
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,760
exactly at a certain time it had froze

1720
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,080
when this happened

1721
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,639
but in this area with the dark tree

1722
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,719
canopy out in the middle of nowhere it

1723
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:54,960
gets dark fast

1724
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:58,880
and i was concerned whether i could get

1725
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:01,840
200 feet back up the path

1726
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:04,400
more so than an hour

1727
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:07,920
so what i did is i just started to

1728
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,600
try to calm down i knew i had some water

1729
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,480
in the day backpack that i had just a

1730
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:16,000
few feet away

1731
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:16,800
so

1732
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:17,840
i went

1733
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,320
started to move toward that i heard

1734
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,159
another sound

1735
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,120
in the area and i thought oh it's a

1736
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,239
hiker it's another hiker or a camper

1737
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,159
and maybe they can help me because i

1738
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,159
needed help

1739
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,040
so i listened i tried to vector in where

1740
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:36,960
the sound was coming from but then i'd

1741
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,280
fall back down or fall against the tree

1742
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,920
i actually ripped my shirt

1743
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,320
at one point following against the bark

1744
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,910
i kept listening for this sound and i

1745
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,400
heard this harmonic

1746
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:54,239
low ebbing

1747
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:55,280
tone

1748
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,360
it's somebody with a boombox somebody

1749
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,679
with a radio that they're playing that

1750
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,360
they're walking along i thought that

1751
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,159
would be great but i couldn't find

1752
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,080
anybody i couldn't see anybody but

1753
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:10,320
nevertheless this sound

1754
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,080
was coming this sound was apparent it's

1755
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:16,960
was so deep and so low i could almost

1756
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,120
feel it in my backbone it was such a low

1757
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,960
ebbing harmonic and i kept looking up

1758
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,600
and falling to my knees and trying to

1759
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,159
get up and falling down no muscle

1760
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,600
control in my legs and my pelvis

1761
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,400
it was terrible and so i literally

1762
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:39,040
crawled around to where i could kind of

1763
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,000
see

1764
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:43,679
like 75 feet away through the brush i

1765
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,239
could see some trees that almost looked

1766
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,560
like a mirage if you've ever seen a

1767
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:50,239
mirage where the

1768
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:52,560
where the light bends whatever you're

1769
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,000
looking at just a little bit and that

1770
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,920
was what i was looking at but that

1771
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,560
didn't make any sense either because

1772
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,639
it was a dark canopy

1773
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,400
covering the area

1774
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,880
and why would there be this this

1775
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,800
illusion this

1776
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,880
bending of the light but nevertheless i

1777
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:13,199
crawled toward it i could still hear

1778
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,880
this harmonic tone i got up i walked

1779
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,120
through more of the brush i lost my

1780
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:22,159
footing and i fell down which was just

1781
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,600
kind of a little

1782
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,800
uh heel going down and as i fell down i

1783
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:29,760
grabbed on

1784
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:32,480
what was above me

1785
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,360
and

1786
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:35,840
there was this

1787
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,990
object

1788
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,270
that felt like stone that felt like dry

1789
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,080
ice or granite when i touched it i

1790
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,800
actually burned the inside of my hand

1791
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:53,360
which i still have to this day

1792
01:24:58,990 --> 01:24:57,760
it pulled the skin right off of my hand

1793
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,000
it was

1794
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:01,760
approximately 12 feet long

1795
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:04,400
two and a half feet high and three and a

1796
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:08,080
half feet to four feet wide it had six

1797
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:11,440
sides six definite sides

1798
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:14,320
it had a surface that looked like marble

1799
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:17,840
or granite no holes no rivets

1800
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:20,800
no windows or doors

1801
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,920
and no landing gear nothing to hold it

1802
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,800
up

1803
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:25,760
and then

1804
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,560
i realized that it was three feet off

1805
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,199
the ground yeah dr reed let me let me

1806
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:33,040
jump in for a second because i want to

1807
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,639
show an image

1808
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:37,199
um you were able to take these images

1809
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,480
and so

1810
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:40,880
and you can describe uh what we're

1811
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,920
seeing here um how did you go back and

1812
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:44,719
and

1813
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,840
get your camera i mean uh briefly i

1814
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:50,320
share that with this uh really quick

1815
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:51,360
before

1816
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,560
i was crawling around in this

1817
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,120
100 foot circle area where all this

1818
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,040
happened where the body laying the

1819
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:01,679
ground and to where i could see this

1820
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,800
black shape i decided

1821
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,440
not thinking clearly but

1822
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,400
thinking more logically i thought i've

1823
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:13,679
got my cameras when i took my water out

1824
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,960
my water bottle to drink i realized

1825
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,199
i've got my camera

1826
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,360
i'm going to take a picture i'm going to

1827
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,239
take all the pictures they can of this

1828
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,719
and in my mind i said i'm going to take

1829
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,360
them because i'm going to prove none of

1830
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:31,679
this exists

1831
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,159
this is all going to be an illusion in

1832
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,040
my mind and nothing will come out i was

1833
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:39,840
an amateur photographer i had

1834
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,199
relatively good equipment and i thought

1835
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,960
i'm going to do this and this felt

1836
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,120
comfortable to me because i

1837
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,000
had been taking pictures for so long it

1838
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,560
was a pleasure it was a knowledge that i

1839
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,159
knew how to do

1840
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,080
and it gave me something to focus that

1841
01:27:02,470 --> 01:26:59,840
made sense to me

1842
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,480
because this other business made no

1843
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,719
sense to me so i

1844
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,639
well i i just pulled up we're going to

1845
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:08,400
hit a break here in two minutes

1846
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:09,360
um

1847
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:10,880
and we'll pick up where we're leaving

1848
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,800
off um in this image here

1849
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,280
uh tell us what we're looking at

1850
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:19,440
this is the black

1851
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:22,639
craft or obelisk that we took to calling

1852
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:26,320
it that's approximately 12 feet long

1853
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,120
two and a half feet high and three feet

1854
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,639
four feet wide

1855
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,880
this was hovering

1856
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:34,880
anchored to the air

1857
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:37,520
three feet above the ground nothing

1858
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,199
touching it nothing suspending it i took

1859
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,600
the branch that i had and ran it

1860
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,320
underneath and it felt like it was going

1861
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,440
through molasses at one point underneath

1862
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,480
it so i felt there's got to be some kind

1863
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,000
of energy

1864
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:56,719
pushing this thing holding this thing in

1865
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,159
place i pushed against it several times

1866
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:03,040
i weigh 200 pounds

1867
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,280
it wouldn't move a fraction of an inch

1868
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:07,120
not a fraction

1869
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,719
it was anchored to the air in place

1870
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:13,679
so i took many pictures of this

1871
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,000
from different angles

1872
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,040
from close up to far away

1873
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:21,840
i even have video of it i had a small

1874
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,960
video camera that i took i realized it

1875
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:27,440
was producing some kind of energy that

1876
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:30,719
was distorting the video so the further

1877
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:33,760
back i got the clearer the video

1878
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,679
would remain

1879
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,679
i didn't know what it was

1880
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:40,000
it was an incredible thing

1881
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,360
but again it was not part of my paradigm

1882
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:46,080
i did not understand it i couldn't

1883
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:50,000
comprehend it but nevertheless i had a

1884
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:54,080
job to do in my mind was just to take

1885
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,440
the pictures

1886
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:57,840
because it gave me a break from worrying

1887
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,880
about everything else that had already

1888
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:01,920
happened

1889
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,800
now the uh that tone that you were

1890
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,400
talking about

1891
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,120
um i i would assume obviously it's

1892
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:11,520
emanating from this and it may be

1893
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:14,639
what's allowing it to stay in position

1894
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:17,199
did it get louder as you got closer to

1895
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:18,239
it

1896
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,040
uh

1897
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:21,440
no it pretty much stayed the same this

1898
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:25,280
very very low ebbing harmonic tone which

1899
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:28,719
was a little bit irritating

1900
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,600
uh the closer you got it was

1901
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:33,920
apparent no matter where you were but it

1902
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,960
was very very apparent and when i when i

1903
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,639
touched this thing when i kind of

1904
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:40,639
slipped and fell against it for the

1905
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:44,560
first time for a second just a second

1906
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,120
i felt like i was inside a big dark room

1907
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:51,920
like the size of an airplane hangar and

1908
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,560
then all of a sudden thrown out

1909
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,520
like i'd been rejected i didn't know at

1910
01:30:02,790 --> 01:29:59,600
the time if this was just

1911
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,800
i was set losing my mind or if this

1912
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:05,520
actually happened but the interesting

1913
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,960
part of it was that i later realized the

1914
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:10,960
tear in my shirt

1915
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:13,199
where i had ripped my shirt against the

1916
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,239
tree

1917
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,280
was no longer ripped

1918
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,600
like it was healed like it never

1919
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:24,870
so again these are things that didn't

1920
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:28,080
make any sense to me but nevertheless it

1921
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,120
occurred

1922
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:31,679
well it wouldn't fit in anybody's

1923
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,719
paradigm right

1924
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:36,639
we don't have experience i i you know

1925
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,440
i've done uh 2000 shows

1926
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:41,760
i still wouldn't know what to do with

1927
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:42,639
this

1928
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:45,520
jimmy i didn't i didn't know

1929
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:48,719
what this creature was i didn't even put

1930
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,000
the name

1931
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,880
alien or extraterrestrial to it until

1932
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:54,080
after

1933
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:56,800
i had brought the body home and my

1934
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,000
friend was the first one to say

1935
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:02,960
this is what this is i didn't want to

1936
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:05,199
think that i didn't want to go there

1937
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:07,760
because in my life i dealt with hard

1938
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:10,480
science facts that i had read and

1939
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,440
studied for years i knew nothing about

1940
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:14,639
this

1941
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:15,679
and so

1942
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:19,760
to me it just was more craziness and my

1943
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:22,239
mind didn't want to go there

1944
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:23,280
these are

1945
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:24,880
really really quick i've got to take a

1946
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:27,360
break right here um all of this was shot

1947
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:28,840
on

1948
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,560
film yes sir all of it was film 35

1949
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:35,120
millimeter film both slide film and

1950
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:38,000
print film kodachrome coat of color

1951
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,840
some of the pictures are a little bluer

1952
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:41,600
than others that's because it was an

1953
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:44,320
ecto chrome based film right this is

1954
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:48,159
film this is prior to digital anything

1955
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:49,920
um

1956
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,800
yeah that's what people need to realize

1957
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:54,960
i mean photoshop doesn't didn't even

1958
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:56,719
exist in the

1959
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:01,440
mainstream until years later yeah

1960
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,199
let's take a break right here we got to

1961
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:04,960
get this in this is fade to black i'm

1962
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:08,159
yours jimmy church tonight dr jonathan

1963
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:10,239
reed 27 years i've waited for this

1964
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conversation

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and we're having it now so stay right

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there

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we'll pick up what we are leaving off i

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promise right here when we come back

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after this short break

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welcome back fade to black i am your

2075
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:36,480
host jimmy church tonight our guest

2076
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:38,719
there he is right there

2077
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:41,760
dr jonathan reid i got to tell you man i

2078
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i i can't believe

2079
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i'm i'm i'm i'm

2080
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i'm looking at you you

2081
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the fountain of youth okay so

2082
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i i i can't get that out of my mind dr

2083
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:57,440
reed so anyway let's back up now um

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01:38:02,470 --> 01:37:59,440
where we left off was kodachrome

2085
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ectochrome uh that these images

2086
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:05,280
uh were shot on film

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01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,159
i'm gonna bring up another shot and uh

2088
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:12,080
again just an incredible

2089
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,360
image here

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um and you had said right before the

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01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,080
break we're talking to dr jonathan reed

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01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,320
this is his 1996

2093
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,040
um encounter with an extraterrestrial

2094
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:25,760
and a craft and the death of his dog

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01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:28,719
susie in in seattle 50 miles outside of

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01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:32,639
seattle uh back in 1996 october of 96.

2097
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and so after um the initial encounter

2098
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,239
um you were able to get

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to your uh i think you said day pack get

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01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,440
your camera and started taking pictures

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01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,600
this image here

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01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,560
um you had said that uh you weren't

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01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,800
thinking aliens i i don't know who would

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01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:54,000
at this point

2105
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,920
it's too incredible but

2106
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:58,239
um you heard a humming sound you then

2107
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,800
touched this craft burned your hand

2108
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:02,400
uh were able to get your camera started

2109
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:05,440
taking these pictures were you thinking

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01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,679
um at the time that uh this was

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some type of spacecraft that this alien

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was in

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01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,719
and have we even determined that that

2114
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that it was a spacecraft or something

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01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:19,360
else

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okay at the time can you hear me yes

2117
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:25,199
okay at the time my mind was not

2118
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thinking about anything about

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other than taking the picture the

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exposure the f-stop

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01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,159
making sure i was laying i took this

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picture laying on the ground

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on my stomach with my arms resting on

2124
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the ground creating a tripod holding my

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35 millimeter camera as still as i could

2126
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,440
because it was a long exposure this

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01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:51,600
exposure was probably

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um

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01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,000
probably a third of a second long

2130
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:58,719
because it was such a dark area

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but

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the film the cameras was excellent in

2133
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,080
quality it took great pictures

2134
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so my thought was just take the best

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picture i could

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and

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i think that was done as a fail-safe to

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me i think i didn't want to think about

2139
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:19,679
anything else i didn't want to think

2140
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,639
that my dog was dead that something had

2141
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:24,639
killed my dog and that i had killed

2142
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:26,719
something else i didn't know what that

2143
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:30,719
was i was afraid as well as sick

2144
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so my methodology was nil to thinking

2145
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:35,760
about

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01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:38,639
spacecraft or aliens or anything i was

2147
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,199
just only thinking how do i take the

2148
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best picture i can

2149
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and i think that got me through this i

2150
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:48,960
had a video camera with me a little

2151
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video camera one of the first small ones

2152
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:52,719
made

2153
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:55,280
uh eight millimeter

2154
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,040
nikon video camera i took video of all

2155
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:02,080
of this i realized the closer i got in

2156
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:05,679
proximity to this black floating thing

2157
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,800
the more the video camera would distort

2158
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,440
which drove me nuts because i thought oh

2159
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,760
god i'm not going to be able to get this

2160
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,480
so i went farther back and farther back

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01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:18,560
used the little zoom lens to get in

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01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:19,760
close

2163
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:22,800
so i have video on the scene that was

2164
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,000
taken within an hour and a half of me

2165
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,560
coming in contact with the alien i have

2166
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:30,639
a picture of him laying on the ground

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01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:35,830
a step by step

2168
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:37,040
running

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01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,239
from one space to another 75 feet over

2170
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,840
to where this was

2171
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:44,400
breathing so hard i barely

2172
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:47,600
could could continue i mean throwing up

2173
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,960
during the filming you can't mistake how

2174
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:52,560
sick i was

2175
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,119
but i have that i have all these

2176
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:57,600
pictures i took every bit of film i had

2177
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:01,440
which about 36 rolls the are not 36

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01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:04,719
girls three rolls of 36 images per

2179
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:07,440
per roll i took it all i took everything

2180
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,800
i had

2181
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:11,520
and then at that point i decided i got

2182
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:14,159
to get out of here i i gotta calm down

2183
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,040
more i gotta try to regain some strength

2184
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,239
so i can stand longer and keep walking

2185
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:22,800
back out of this place

2186
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,280
i thought what am i gonna do with this

2187
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,080
i've killed this i felt

2188
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,840
afraid of what i had done fear

2189
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:32,880
sick

2190
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:36,080
i thought okay i can't bury it i didn't

2191
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,840
have a shovel i had a knife i had a

2192
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:41,119
backpack

2193
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:44,400
with a few dog biscuits in it

2194
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,520
my cameras and i had a thermal blanket

2195
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,440
which is something that you keep with

2196
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,360
you in case you're stuck in the woods

2197
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:53,840
it's a mylar blanket that you

2198
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:56,639
wrap yourself up to keep heat in your

2199
01:43:03,669 --> 01:42:59,280
body in case you have to spend the night

2200
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:03,679
well it was about eight by ten feet wide

2201
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:06,880
and i decided i'd open it i'd put it

2202
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,360
over the body maybe i could put rocks

2203
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,360
around it or something

2204
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,040
to preserve it

2205
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,280
so that i could come back with somebody

2206
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,239
else and we could figure this out

2207
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,920
as i did that

2208
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,080
i realized the body

2209
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,880
i slipped my hands under the body

2210
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:26,800
between the thermal blanket and this

2211
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,679
body i didn't want to touch it i did not

2212
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,080
want to touch it and i wanted to cover

2213
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,480
it up so i wouldn't have to look at it

2214
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:37,040
and as i did i realized this thing is so

2215
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,000
light it's incredibly light considering

2216
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,880
how big it was it's like small child in

2217
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:44,480
the size

2218
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:45,280
and

2219
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,000
maybe i thought maybe this is 40

2220
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,560
to 50 pounds at the most

2221
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,280
so i put it under it i wrapped it up i

2222
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,119
kind of rolled it up like you'd roll up

2223
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,199
a sleeping bag

2224
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,280
and i thought well maybe i can set it

2225
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:02,080
over to the edge of the path over to the

2226
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:03,199
edge of the

2227
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:06,639
the hill and put some more branches on

2228
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,520
it or something to keep animals from it

2229
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,920
or whatever that was my thought even

2230
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,840
though it was incomplete even though it

2231
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:14,960
was

2232
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:24,400
i thought i could take the straps off my

2233
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:27,600
pack put around it and maybe i can carry

2234
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,239
it

2235
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,000
back down the path

2236
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:32,639
toward my jeep where i can find a better

2237
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,239
place to hide it and put it and store it

2238
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,639
that's what i thought that was the only

2239
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:40,560
thing at that moment going through my

2240
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,600
head and breathing trying to calm down

2241
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:45,119
my breathing

2242
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,239
so that's what i did i put the strap

2243
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,719
around it i picked it up in one arm i

2244
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,960
picked up my pack and cameras in the

2245
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,920
other which sort of balanced me a little

2246
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,880
bit

2247
01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:58,800
and i started

2248
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:01,920
slowly locking back to where i had

2249
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,800
parked my jeep now remember it was like

2250
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,440
an hour back

2251
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,040
to where i parked

2252
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,360
i didn't think i could ever make it well

2253
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:14,159
all of a sudden like in a blink of an

2254
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,760
eye i was standing next to my jeep

2255
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:20,400
i don't know how that happened i don't

2256
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:21,600
know if i

2257
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:25,199
blacked out and walked unconsciously but

2258
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,800
i was there

2259
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,960
and it was comfortable it looked

2260
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:31,199
comfortable to me like that's that's

2261
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:34,800
reality to me that's real reality so i

2262
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,280
picked up this thermal blanket opened

2263
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:40,080
the back of the jeep put it in closed

2264
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:43,360
the door and sat in the passenger seat

2265
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,760
for some time

2266
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,760
i can believe it

2267
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,520
seriously i'm just going to jump in and

2268
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:50,639
say

2269
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:53,280
i have no idea how you kept your

2270
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:54,480
composure

2271
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,000
um

2272
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:59,040
remember remember jimmy i was throwing

2273
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:59,840
up

2274
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:01,040
every

2275
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:04,400
15 to 20 feet to the point where i no

2276
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:07,679
longer had anything to expel

2277
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:11,119
i was starting to throw up blood and and

2278
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,560
again my worry was my body am i ever

2279
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,280
going to survive this at this point

2280
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,440
and i was more worried about that than

2281
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:22,000
anything so all other functions were

2282
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,760
motor functions it wasn't a logical

2283
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:28,400
adaptation of what do i do next it was

2284
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,199
just

2285
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:31,360
this is what i'm doing

2286
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:33,760
and sitting in the driver's seat i

2287
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:36,320
thought this feels comfortable this

2288
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:39,520
feels more like something i understand

2289
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,920
but i looked over where my dog always

2290
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:44,480
sat in the passenger seat and she wasn't

2291
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:45,360
there

2292
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:48,159
like she always was and i could see in

2293
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:51,199
the rear-view mirror the thermal blanket

2294
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,119
in the back of the jeep so i knew

2295
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:55,280
something had happened

2296
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:58,960
i started the car i drove toward

2297
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:01,679
the path of the road that i had come

2298
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:04,719
from i knew there was a

2299
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:07,840
ranger station not far away so i drove

2300
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:10,639
there thinking i could get help i got

2301
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,840
there i got out threw up got out to

2302
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:16,000
their doorway knocked on their door but

2303
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:17,920
they weren't there there was nobody

2304
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,320
there i don't know if they were out

2305
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,719
to dinner or or what but there was

2306
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:25,440
nobody there so the only thing i had

2307
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:26,960
left was to

2308
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,440
go home to go back to where somebody

2309
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:30,800
could help me

2310
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,840
this is a picture of the the body

2311
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:36,080
uh the bridge with

2312
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,000
yeah uh uh uh dr let me uh uh the in in

2313
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,159
one of the previous shots was that a

2314
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,080
piece of the uh

2315
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:46,480
his skull sitting next to

2316
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:49,840
yes yes absolutely it was still attached

2317
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,119
on one little quarter of his skull his

2318
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,440
skin was actually holding the flap

2319
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,080
together but you can clearly see the

2320
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:00,800
blood the brain tissue it had breached

2321
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:03,760
the inner cranial sac which put this

2322
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:06,880
fluid which was basically water if it's

2323
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:09,920
similar to us all over

2324
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:14,080
so i just wrapped him up in the woods as

2325
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:17,199
best i could put my straps around him

2326
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,400
and carried him back to my jeep i drove

2327
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:23,199
past the ranger station i drove home

2328
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,600
which was another 40 minutes

2329
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,360
it was now dark

2330
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,760
street lights were on i drove in my

2331
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,040
carport

2332
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,280
and i sat there for the longest time

2333
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:36,080
just numb just not knowing

2334
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:37,360
anything

2335
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,400
and this was in the days of you know

2336
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,239
pre-cell phone

2337
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:44,960
ability no cameras on your cell phone in

2338
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:48,400
fact the cat the cell phones we had were

2339
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:54,070
i got home i thought what am i going to

2340
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:54,800
do

2341
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:57,760
i could see this thing was in my jeep in

2342
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,360
the carport

2343
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,520
and i thought well i gotta get it out i

2344
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,520
gotta put it somewhere where where

2345
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,520
nobody's gonna steal it because if they

2346
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:07,119
break into my jeep that's gonna be a

2347
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,000
whole other set of issues

2348
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,000
so i thought to myself i'll just put it

2349
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,719
in my garage i just put it in the garage

2350
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,480
i didn't want to really take it into my

2351
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:18,560
house because the garage was separate

2352
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:21,119
from the house a separate building

2353
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:25,360
and i was renting this house alone

2354
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:26,560
and

2355
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,920
i i put it picked it up took it in

2356
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,000
through the side door into the garage

2357
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:35,040
and then i realized ah my freezer i've

2358
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,000
got a chest older freezer that had

2359
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,480
almost nothing in it and i thought well

2360
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,400
that that's even a better place because

2361
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:44,400
i can put it in there and i can close

2362
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,599
the door

2363
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:46,960
and

2364
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,080
so that was my thought my thought was

2365
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:52,239
take out the food basket which had some

2366
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,800
frozen peas and a few other things

2367
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,040
laid it on the floor and lifted this

2368
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,239
whole blanket the thermal blanket into

2369
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:03,119
this older freezer and let the door

2370
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:05,679
close the lock on it was

2371
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,760
broken hit or miss so i didn't even

2372
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,199
bother to lock it i thought well

2373
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,679
nobody's going to go in there so i put

2374
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:13,840
it in there but it was running freezer

2375
01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:17,599
was running it was almost zero degrees

2376
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,560
i closed the door went in the house and

2377
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,920
immediately

2378
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,760
stood in the shower

2379
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:26,480
numb with all of my clothes on because i

2380
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,560
was a mess i was just an absolute mess

2381
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:32,239
that's a good call i had to hit the

2382
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,360
shower too

2383
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,520
i would have hit the shower um

2384
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,400
and i'm not being in in any way cavalier

2385
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:41,360
right that's a good call

2386
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:44,880
here is this is the actual freezer

2387
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,119
in your garage yes this is the freezer

2388
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:51,520
and uh it like i say it was an older

2389
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,719
second hand freezer somebody gave to me

2390
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,360
and it still worked and it was small

2391
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:59,040
which worked for me

2392
01:51:01,030 --> 01:51:00,239
perfectly

2393
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:01,040
but

2394
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,960
i never in my mind would have ever

2395
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:03,840
thought

2396
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,960
about doing this other than

2397
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:09,119
other than when you have something

2398
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,679
that's meat that's

2399
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,679
can be disposed

2400
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,159
and start to degrade very quickly in

2401
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,320
normal temperatures what do you do you

2402
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:20,639
put it in a freezing environment

2403
01:51:26,189 --> 01:51:24,159
and it stops the degradation of it and

2404
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,199
stock stops it from

2405
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:27,760
decomposing

2406
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:30,960
jonathan at this point um and especially

2407
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,719
i've had i've had

2408
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,639
you had a few minutes to think about

2409
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,239
this back then

2410
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,440
i've had 27 years to line up questions

2411
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,760
right okay so

2412
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:43,760
at this point

2413
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:47,360
uh what were you thinking um

2414
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:50,560
did you very little very little logic

2415
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:53,840
mostly based on that i didn't want to

2416
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,480
think i didn't want to think about a

2417
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,960
body that i had killed i didn't want to

2418
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:01,440
think that i had murdered something

2419
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:02,560
right

2420
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:04,880
i didn't want to think about the fact

2421
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:08,320
that my dog was so brutally torn apart

2422
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:11,360
in front of my eyes and killed in such a

2423
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:13,760
way that made no sense either

2424
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,440
i my mind did not want to go to these

2425
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,520
things that i had just witnessed so my

2426
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:21,280
mind wanted to go

2427
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:24,639
to logical things that made comfortable

2428
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,760
sense putting it in the freezer was not

2429
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,320
because i was thinking so much of you

2430
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,560
know preserving the body i was thinking

2431
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:34,320
it's hidden it's out of the way it's

2432
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:36,400
easier than digging a hole and putting

2433
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:39,599
it in the ground which i wanted to do

2434
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:41,760
what about the police uh were you

2435
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,400
thinking i was thinking about all of

2436
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:46,880
that i was thinking in my mind as soon

2437
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:50,159
as they find out i've i'm a murderer i'm

2438
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:54,159
going to prosecuted uh you know my life

2439
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:57,040
is going to be torn apart and i didn't

2440
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:59,040
want to think much about it so therefore

2441
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:01,920
i thought deal with it later put it in

2442
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,040
there i was a mess i needed to clean up

2443
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:07,199
i needed to start

2444
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:10,400
to feel better i i cannot

2445
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,679
impress upon you or your audience how

2446
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:15,440
sick i was

2447
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:18,080
it was to the point where i was throwing

2448
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:21,840
up blood uh i was dehydrated i could

2449
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:25,040
barely breathe without gasping and and

2450
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,639
throwing up

2451
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,360
muscle tone in my body was gone

2452
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:31,599
later on we determined it's all the

2453
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:35,440
signs that a normal person would have

2454
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:37,679
if you were exposed to some level of

2455
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:39,760
high radiation

2456
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:42,560
so radiation poisoning was is the

2457
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:45,440
definition of all of the things that i

2458
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:46,880
was feeling

2459
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:50,159
did i come into contact with radiation

2460
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,119
i could have with this black shape

2461
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,000
that's only years later in thinking this

2462
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,400
through with the help of many other

2463
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,560
people that are much more knowledgeable

2464
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:03,360
than this than me but at the time

2465
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:06,400
my concern was survival my concern was

2466
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:09,360
calming down getting some water inside

2467
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:10,400
of me

2468
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:13,360
sitting in my shower sitting in my home

2469
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:15,760
to where i felt secure

2470
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:18,880
more so than i ever had in the last you

2471
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,400
know four or five hours i called my

2472
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:24,639
friend my girlfriend on the phone she

2473
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,280
wasn't home i left a message in those

2474
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:29,679
days it was message machines

2475
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:32,480
call me i need to talk to you i called

2476
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:35,199
my best friend gary who i'd known

2477
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,560
since high school

2478
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,040
and said gary

2479
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:41,920
come over i'm in trouble susie's dead

2480
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:44,880
and he knew my dog everybody knew my dog

2481
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:47,199
but i said i need you to come over

2482
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:48,560
please

2483
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:51,360
and that's all the detail i gave out

2484
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:54,800
and and i sat there i sat there and

2485
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:58,159
didn't do anything didn't turn on the tv

2486
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:00,639
didn't turn on anything i even sat in

2487
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:04,080
the dark and just drank water as best i

2488
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:05,679
could calm down

2489
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,719
gary came over said jonathan obviously

2490
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:10,880
you're sick what can i do for you let's

2491
01:55:15,109 --> 01:55:13,040
get you in better and i said

2492
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,119
but it this is what happened and it

2493
01:55:19,510 --> 01:55:17,520
doesn't make any sense and he says

2494
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:19,520
you're just sick you're just sick you're

2495
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:23,440
illusion and i said god damn it i'm not

2496
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:24,800
i'm not

2497
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:27,760
living an illusion i will show you and

2498
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,159
he said show me what and i said come to

2499
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:33,199
me with the garage come with me

2500
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:35,679
i took him out of the house i took him

2501
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,800
into the garage i opened the freezer i

2502
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:40,239
lifted up

2503
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:41,520
this body

2504
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:43,760
dr reed let me let me jump in i'm only

2505
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:47,520
laughing because he has no clue

2506
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,719
right

2507
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:51,760
he thinks he thinks i'm just going nuts

2508
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:54,320
right right right that's what i you know

2509
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:56,719
you got to be careful and we'd known

2510
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:00,159
each other for years so we knew each

2511
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,239
other well

2512
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:04,480
but he just thought i'm sick

2513
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:05,840
okay

2514
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:07,760
so uh

2515
01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:11,280
you uh you open this baby up

2516
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:12,880
what happened

2517
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:15,920
i lift out this thermal blanket which is

2518
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:18,960
complete continually wrapped up

2519
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,360
laid it on the garage floor

2520
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,199
opened it

2521
01:56:26,950 --> 01:56:25,760
and he just stood there with his mouth

2522
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:26,960
open

2523
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:29,360
in awe gasping

2524
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:33,760
in ah going uh oh my god oh my god oh my

2525
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:36,800
god and you know walked backwards and

2526
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:39,520
ran in the house at that point

2527
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:42,000
and we got in the house and i i mean i

2528
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:43,920
wrapped it back up put it back in the

2529
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:46,239
freezer went in the house and he says

2530
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,719
jonathan this is this is something

2531
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,320
incredible you don't know what you've

2532
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:52,239
got do you know what this is you know

2533
01:56:54,629 --> 01:56:53,840
and i kept saying i don't want to hear

2534
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:54,639
this

2535
01:57:01,990 --> 01:57:00,159
and he said it's an alien it's an a.t

2536
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:02,000
it's in it and i said i don't want to

2537
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:03,280
hear that

2538
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:06,080
that doesn't make any sense to me

2539
01:57:10,229 --> 01:57:08,480
but he then he went down this road of

2540
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,239
what have we got to do where did it

2541
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,159
happen i need more

2542
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:15,040
evidence of how it happened what was the

2543
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:18,639
event so i showed him the videotape

2544
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:21,520
because i had the videotape the film

2545
01:57:28,390 --> 01:57:25,040
wasn't processed yet so i've just played

2546
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,400
the video tape and again he sat there

2547
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:31,280
in just dumbfounded

2548
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:34,719
awesome in what he saw and there's no

2549
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:38,000
question that what he saw

2550
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:40,719
both in the you know the woods film

2551
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:44,000
and i had videotaped once i brought this

2552
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:45,199
thing home

2553
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,719
i videotaped the body i laid it in my

2554
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:51,360
rec room which is the most light i had i

2555
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:53,360
didn't have a video light

2556
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:54,960
and i

2557
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:57,440
videotaped the body i moved his head

2558
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:00,000
around i opened his mouth i opened his

2559
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:03,280
eyes you can actually hear air escaping

2560
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:04,840
from his

2561
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:08,239
lungs i the video camera i had

2562
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:12,239
was again one of the very first original

2563
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:13,280
small

2564
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,320
video eight cameras but it had a

2565
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:19,199
viewfinder of about a quarter of an inch

2566
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:22,800
big and all black and white it wasn't

2567
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:25,360
one of the ones that pulls out nowadays

2568
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:26,719
where it's a big

2569
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:27,599
you know

2570
01:58:34,149 --> 01:58:30,960
monitor so i was trying to look in this

2571
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:34,159
little tiny hole getting everything i

2572
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:37,679
could and again sick at the moment

2573
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:39,040
later on

2574
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:42,000
people recognize something that i didn't

2575
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:43,360
recognize

2576
01:58:49,189 --> 01:58:45,119
they all said

2577
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:49,199
it was alive it's blinking in the video

2578
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:52,880
it's moving ahead i i would when i i'm

2579
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,880
going to tell you right now can i i'm

2580
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:56,560
going to share this with the with the

2581
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:59,760
audience um i'm watching that video

2582
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,639
right

2583
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:02,880
and i have no idea what's about to

2584
01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:03,760
happen

2585
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:06,159
and when that thing blinked i think i

2586
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:08,560
hit the ceiling in my in in my living

2587
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:09,599
room

2588
01:59:13,990 --> 01:59:12,000
i mean i i

2589
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:14,000
went backwards

2590
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:15,440
it's alive

2591
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:18,960
um now i just this is a video this is uh

2592
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:22,560
this image here is from the video clip

2593
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:25,920
and uh it's absolutely incredible you

2594
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:27,119
mentioned

2595
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:28,000
uh

2596
01:59:37,189 --> 01:59:35,119
and here is another um everybody if

2597
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:37,199
you've got children in the room and you

2598
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:39,040
don't want them uh to see anything too

2599
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:43,199
crazy but uh here's another uh shot here

2600
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:44,880
from the video

2601
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:48,400
and you're opening up uh his eyes here

2602
01:59:51,109 --> 01:59:49,599
and you can

2603
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:51,119
you can see

2604
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,080
those are surgical gloves that i had the

2605
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:56,159
you know foresight to put on because i

2606
02:00:01,510 --> 01:59:59,920
really didn't want to touch it directly

2607
02:00:04,550 --> 02:00:01,520
and consequently

2608
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:04,560
you know it's dead in my mind it's dead

2609
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:06,159
i have dealt with

2610
02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:07,440
uh

2611
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,480
my family was a family of hunters they i

2612
02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:12,480
went deer hunting with people

2613
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:14,960
and i knew what a dead creature looked

2614
02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:17,360
like and to me this was another dead

2615
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,400
creature

2616
02:00:21,669 --> 02:00:20,560
and i didn't want to think much further

2617
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:21,679
than that

2618
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:24,960
but i knew there were aspects of this

2619
02:00:29,750 --> 02:00:26,719
that i wanted

2620
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:29,760
to see i wanted to see it i didn't do

2621
02:00:34,870 --> 02:00:32,400
this thinking oh i'm gonna put this film

2622
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:34,880
out for other people to see i did it for

2623
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:36,320
myself

2624
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:39,040
and in doing so

2625
02:00:44,870 --> 02:00:41,280
i mean i didn't have a tripod i had to

2626
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:44,880
tape the camera to a stepladder that i

2627
02:00:50,629 --> 02:00:47,760
had prop it up on boxes

2628
02:00:54,070 --> 02:00:50,639
and and there's about a 10 or 12 minute

2629
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:54,080
video of me doing this

2630
02:00:59,910 --> 02:00:56,639
you know topical examination

2631
02:01:02,709 --> 02:00:59,920
and after that i showed that to gary in

2632
02:01:04,390 --> 02:01:02,719
my house we both sat there

2633
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:04,400
and thought

2634
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:06,880
what in the hell are we going to do what

2635
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:10,000
is this what what and he was all excited

2636
02:01:16,870 --> 02:01:12,880
because he was into this kind of stuff

2637
02:01:18,390 --> 02:01:16,880
not into ufology or aliens but he had

2638
02:01:22,390 --> 02:01:18,400
studied

2639
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:22,400
enough uh sci-fi stuff and realized that

2640
02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:24,080
this stuff

2641
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:27,040
was in our culture and it and it excited

2642
02:01:32,470 --> 02:01:29,440
him well to me it didn't excite me plus

2643
02:01:34,950 --> 02:01:32,480
i was really sick and i said okay do

2644
02:01:37,510 --> 02:01:34,960
what you want i don't care just let me

2645
02:01:40,310 --> 02:01:37,520
know what you're doing but i'm not gonna

2646
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:40,320
probably be the one doing this so within

2647
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:41,520
the next

2648
02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:44,400
12 hours he got on the phone and started

2649
02:01:48,149 --> 02:01:47,119
calling everybody he could think of

2650
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:48,159
police

2651
02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:52,560
the air force the navy uh

2652
02:01:57,910 --> 02:01:55,199
any kind of facility that

2653
02:02:01,189 --> 02:01:57,920
dealt with weird paranormal stuff but in

2654
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:01,199
those days this is 1996. there wasn't a

2655
02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:04,480
lot of stuff listed going on this was

2656
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:06,880
kind of an underground niche

2657
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:09,679
kind of thing well there was one thing

2658
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:10,960
that said

2659
02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:12,880
mufon

2660
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:15,280
and neither one of us knew what it was

2661
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:18,960
so we called them and they said okay we

2662
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:20,960
know what you're dealing with they

2663
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:23,119
sounded reputable they sounded

2664
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:25,360
knowledgeable and they said here's what

2665
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:28,000
you got to do preserve the evidence

2666
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:30,800
and bring some to us bring it to us

2667
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:34,159
we'll meet in a neutral place in public

2668
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:36,639
where you feel comfortable

2669
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:39,840
all that sounded good to me so the next

2670
02:02:45,350 --> 02:02:43,040
you know four hours later i was driving

2671
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:45,360
up to a restaurant a local restaurant

2672
02:02:49,510 --> 02:02:47,679
and sitting down with them

2673
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:49,520
okay

2674
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:52,000
let's let's take our break right here

2675
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:54,159
and we will pick up when we come back

2676
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,480
this is fade to black i am your host

2677
02:03:01,870 --> 02:02:58,400
jimmy church tonight our guest

2678
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:03,589
incredible

2679
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:05,280
27 years

2680
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:06,400
and i finally get to have this

2681
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:09,890
conversation we'll be right back

2682
02:03:17,109 --> 02:03:15,760
[Music]

2683
02:03:22,860 --> 02:03:17,119
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02:03:26,830 --> 02:03:24,310
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02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:28,420
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2750
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:43,920
welcome back fate to black i am your

2751
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:46,480
host jimmy church dr jonathan reed is

2752
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:49,280
our guest tonight

2753
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:51,119
tomorrow night i'm off i will be

2754
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:53,679
speaking at upars in studio city

2755
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:56,000
wednesday night adam apollo is with us

2756
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,520
thursday of course

2757
02:07:01,830 --> 02:06:59,840
is another fader night uh with open

2758
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:01,840
lines all night long tonight it's dr

2759
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:05,280
jonathan reed now um dr reed jonathan if

2760
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:07,040
i may yeah

2761
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:08,320
uh

2762
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:10,719
where we left off okay so you you reach

2763
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:14,480
out to mufon um and and so

2764
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:16,960
you're you're heading to this uh

2765
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,679
conversation at in a public place

2766
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:21,360
in the meantime

2767
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:24,719
in back of you the alien body is back in

2768
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:28,159
the freezer yes sir it was what we're

2769
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,239
attempting to do right now is give you a

2770
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,119
quick timeline about what happened in

2771
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:35,280
the first nine days from the event

2772
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:38,239
taking place on day one until nine days

2773
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:41,119
later this is the most this is what was

2774
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:43,920
chronicled in the book that we wrote

2775
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:46,000
uh robert wraith and i and we'll get

2776
02:07:50,629 --> 02:07:49,440
into that later but yes uh uh and and

2777
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:50,639
really quick

2778
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:52,320
um did you

2779
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:53,520
[Music]

2780
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:56,560
did you know that the alien might still

2781
02:08:01,750 --> 02:08:00,960
be alive no not at that point um

2782
02:08:02,709 --> 02:08:01,760
so

2783
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,719
again

2784
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,840
move on

2785
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:05,920
well

2786
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:08,000
let me jump in real quick so you are

2787
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:09,199
assuming

2788
02:08:13,030 --> 02:08:10,960
you've got a dead alien body in the

2789
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:13,040
freezer that's what you're saying

2790
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:15,599
and and now you're going uh to meet

2791
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,440
somebody uh from mufon uh right

2792
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,440
to discuss everything got it got it okay

2793
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:24,159
okay so they a guy and a girl nice

2794
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:26,480
people knew what they're talking about

2795
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:28,400
very helpful very

2796
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,400
comforting saying hey we've dealt with

2797
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:32,560
this kind of stuff before which made me

2798
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:33,599
feel good

2799
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:35,520
because i wanted to literally get rid of

2800
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,840
it give it to somebody else to do

2801
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:39,760
whatever they were going to do with and

2802
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,199
i so i gave them some of the evidence i

2803
02:08:47,669 --> 02:08:45,760
gave them a copy of the videotape

2804
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,679
they said great they made me sign a

2805
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:49,520
little receipt for it they gave me it

2806
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:52,400
back it all seemed all and up and up and

2807
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:54,320
they sounded like they really knew what

2808
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:57,119
they were doing which made me feel good

2809
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:58,239
um

2810
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,599
they said we'll get back to you in a

2811
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:01,199
couple days

2812
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,040
then we will talk to you more about this

2813
02:09:05,990 --> 02:09:04,960
we'll do an interview maybe a video

2814
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,000
interview

2815
02:09:11,589 --> 02:09:09,360
all sounded good and gary said that

2816
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:11,599
sounds great meanwhile i said gary was

2817
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,760
calling everybody we were getting

2818
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:15,920
answers from everything that hey you're

2819
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:19,119
nuts to people would hang up on us to

2820
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:21,440
say we don't know what to do

2821
02:09:27,189 --> 02:09:23,599
and again this was back in the day this

2822
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,030
all within

2823
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:31,599
15 hours of the actual event taking

2824
02:09:35,750 --> 02:09:32,880
place

2825
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:35,760
i took the film to a local i mean a

2826
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:37,920
local within a mile of my house

2827
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:40,480
processing place we used to have all

2828
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:43,280
these independent processing places they

2829
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:46,639
processed my film my 35 million into

2830
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,000
prints

2831
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:50,159
i had them all double printed so i'd

2832
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:54,159
have a couple of sets brought that home

2833
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:01,750
there was a knock on my door

2834
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:03,840
and there were three people outside my

2835
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:08,079
door in suits in very unusual

2836
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:15,189
almost a metallic look to their clothes

2837
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:16,560
and they said

2838
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:19,040
dr reed we want to talk to you

2839
02:10:24,790 --> 02:10:21,840
about what happened to your dog

2840
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:24,800
i said nothing happened to my dog

2841
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:26,079
and i

2842
02:10:29,750 --> 02:10:27,840
you know just said what the hell are you

2843
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:29,760
doing they said we need to talk to you

2844
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:31,840
and before i knew it they were standing

2845
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:33,440
in my living room

2846
02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:36,239
and they were weird they were very weird

2847
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:37,440
very

2848
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:39,599
uh

2849
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:42,239
surreal looking and the way they talked

2850
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:46,079
was such a melodic sing song it was

2851
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:47,760
almost

2852
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:49,679
i don't want to use the word hypnotizing

2853
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:52,800
but it it calmed you down to the point

2854
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:54,400
where you didn't want to think about

2855
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,880
anything else and they said

2856
02:11:01,669 --> 02:10:58,719
we're here to take

2857
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:01,679
whatever you have away from you so that

2858
02:11:06,709 --> 02:11:04,000
it doesn't bother your life because the

2859
02:11:09,910 --> 02:11:06,719
next people that come

2860
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,920
won't be so nice as we are we are from a

2861
02:11:13,990 --> 02:11:12,000
group called the school

2862
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:14,000
and we have dealt with this kind of

2863
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:17,040
thing before and they said we know your

2864
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:19,679
dog ran off and got in trouble didn't

2865
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:20,480
she

2866
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:22,560
and they were telling me things that i

2867
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,000
had not told anybody except gary not

2868
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:27,679
even over the phone

2869
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:28,800
so

2870
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:30,960
i didn't know what this was they made

2871
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,760
some kind of gentle half eights

2872
02:11:38,470 --> 02:11:36,320
half-assed threats i told them to get

2873
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,480
the blank out of my house

2874
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:40,239
that i didn't want to i was going to

2875
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:41,840
call the police

2876
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:43,840
and as they were leaving they said oh

2877
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:46,400
don't worry the police are with us and i

2878
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:49,440
looked out and parked behind their car

2879
02:11:53,910 --> 02:11:51,599
was a seattle police

2880
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:53,920
car with the guy sitting against his

2881
02:11:57,669 --> 02:11:56,239
hood

2882
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:57,679
so they left

2883
02:12:01,669 --> 02:11:59,920
and i went in the house and i was angry

2884
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:01,679
and i was still sick

2885
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:03,599
and i got a phone call

2886
02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:05,119
from my

2887
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:07,040
partner that i worked with at the

2888
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:09,280
university of washington medical center

2889
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:11,840
in the psychology department and he said

2890
02:12:16,069 --> 02:12:14,159
jonathan are you

2891
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:16,079
i know you're sick i know you called in

2892
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:18,079
sick but he says are you moving your

2893
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:19,440
office

2894
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:21,199
and i said no

2895
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:23,920
he said there's men in here with hand

2896
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:25,920
trucks taking out all the filing

2897
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:28,800
cabinets and all of your paperwork and

2898
02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,280
we don't know what they're doing

2899
02:12:36,470 --> 02:12:33,920
and that's why i called you and i said i

2900
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:36,480
didn't do anything nothing should be

2901
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:40,159
moved nothing could be going on

2902
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:43,040
this was the insanity that was going on

2903
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:45,520
in my life so they were emptying my

2904
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:46,840
office

2905
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:50,000
okay a day later

2906
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:51,760
within

2907
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:54,880
18 hours from when i had had this event

2908
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:55,920
yes

2909
02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:56,800
and

2910
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:57,760
again

2911
02:13:02,709 --> 02:12:59,920
none of it made sense

2912
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:02,719
but again i said well

2913
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:05,040
i i don't know what to tell you and i

2914
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:06,639
got off the phone and i thought i'm

2915
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:09,199
going to try something and i called the

2916
02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:12,320
switchboard of the medical center where

2917
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:15,440
i worked and i asked for dr reed's

2918
02:13:21,350 --> 02:13:18,079
office and assistant

2919
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:21,360
they put me on hold they his voice came

2920
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:24,079
back through another voice a different

2921
02:13:26,069 --> 02:13:25,119
man

2922
02:13:28,629 --> 02:13:26,079
said

2923
02:13:33,189 --> 02:13:28,639
we don't have any dr reed

2924
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:38,149
i had worked there for going on 12 years

2925
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:42,320
i was a department head i had tenure

2926
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:46,880
in my department so this was insane that

2927
02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:48,639
this was going on

2928
02:13:54,550 --> 02:13:51,119
so i hung up i went home i tried to

2929
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:54,560
regain again what was going on

2930
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:56,800
gary was doing one thing i was doing

2931
02:14:02,870 --> 02:13:59,440
something else

2932
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:02,880
i had started to ask people to come over

2933
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:06,159
and view the body my parents my mother

2934
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:07,520
father my

2935
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:09,679
my girlfriend

2936
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:12,560
other good friends of mine colleagues

2937
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:15,760
that i worked with i wanted this

2938
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,159
people to help me i wanted to take it

2939
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,560
out of my hands and give it to somebody

2940
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,239
else to deal with

2941
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,639
so i had called a good friend a

2942
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,400
physician that i worked with

2943
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:28,719
said please come over somebody i really

2944
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:31,440
knew really really well personally he

2945
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:33,199
said no problem i'll be over there

2946
02:14:39,750 --> 02:14:36,719
tomorrow three o'clock no prob so i set

2947
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:39,760
up a table in my garage with a big light

2948
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,440
overhead light where i could set the

2949
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:43,760
body open it up and it was easy to look

2950
02:14:50,069 --> 02:14:46,800
at well he called the last moment and

2951
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:50,079
canceled and the way he canceled he said

2952
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:51,679
jonathan i don't think you should be

2953
02:14:54,470 --> 02:14:53,679
doing this i don't want to have any part

2954
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:54,480
of it

2955
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:57,199
and i'm done with it and he hung up this

2956
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:00,159
is not at all like this man was

2957
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:04,159
ever he was gentle he never was abrasive

2958
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:08,159
and i thought this is in more insanity

2959
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:10,800
but it made me mad so i went out to the

2960
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:13,599
garage took the table down put the light

2961
02:15:19,589 --> 02:15:16,400
away and as i was doing that

2962
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:19,599
i heard this scratching sound

2963
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:22,400
almost like the compressor was going out

2964
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:25,920
on this older freezer and i thought well

2965
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:28,480
if that's true the thermometer on the

2966
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,440
inside would be going up meaning the tip

2967
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:34,239
temperature was rising and then i'd have

2968
02:15:39,270 --> 02:15:36,639
to replace it or

2969
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:39,280
find a refrigerator to put this thing in

2970
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:42,400
nevertheless or or it was rats mice

2971
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:48,629
so without thinking i opened the door of

2972
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:51,679
the freezer to check the inside

2973
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:55,119
thermometer and as i did so

2974
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:57,920
the end of this thermal blanket opened

2975
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:00,400
up and his head came out

2976
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:03,119
looking at me with one arm coming to the

2977
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:04,719
side of the

2978
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:06,800
refrigerator

2979
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:10,719
screaming at me with such ferocity with

2980
02:16:19,830 --> 02:16:16,550
energy that it literally pushed me back

2981
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:19,840
across the garage 10 feet to the wall

2982
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:23,199
screaming this terrible

2983
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:25,360
scream at me

2984
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,719
and i

2985
02:16:31,430 --> 02:16:28,960
just couldn't even imagine this i mean

2986
02:16:33,110 --> 02:16:31,440
my mind was gone i ran out of there left

2987
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,120
the doors open

2988
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:35,599
let it scream went in the house locked

2989
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:38,479
the door and sat there for about three

2990
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:40,960
or four minutes before thinking i gotta

2991
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,280
do something i gotta i gotta i have to

2992
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:45,359
kill this thing or i gotta i gotta call

2993
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:48,399
gary so i called gary i said gary we got

2994
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:49,840
a bigger problem

2995
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:52,160
you gotta come over here we got a big

2996
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,639
bigger problem

2997
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:57,359
and he came over and of course he didn't

2998
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,559
believe me he thought and you're just

2999
02:17:05,349 --> 02:17:02,479
going through your sickness you just

3000
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:05,359
find another thing to try to believe

3001
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:08,319
it's probably nothing i've seen it it's

3002
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:10,479
dead it's got a hole in its head that's

3003
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:12,479
big

3004
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:16,080
and i said gary

3005
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,309
and he said okay so he went to the

3006
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:24,160
garage we went out there

3007
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:26,319
i opened the freezer which the lid was

3008
02:17:30,830 --> 02:17:27,760
now closed

3009
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:30,840
and it sat up again and started

3010
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:33,840
screaming this scream at us

3011
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:36,399
he was pushed against the wall turned

3012
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:39,679
white ran out the door i followed him we

3013
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:41,439
went into the house and and for the

3014
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,080
longest time never said a word to each

3015
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,639
other just sat there numb

3016
02:17:52,070 --> 02:17:48,880
what do you say you've got you've got a

3017
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:52,080
shrieking alien in the group

3018
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,240
you say what the

3019
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:57,679
f is this right and i said well yeah now

3020
02:18:02,629 --> 02:18:00,160
we got a bigger problem because now it's

3021
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,639
alive and going to kill me for doing

3022
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:04,960
what i did to him what do you guys do

3023
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:07,519
now do you draw straws to who's

3024
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:08,960
garage

3025
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:12,000
exactly well i was hoping it ran away

3026
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:13,920
because the garage door was open the lid

3027
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,000
into the freezer was open we were both

3028
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,479
hoping it would run away but at about an

3029
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:20,559
hour or so later we

3030
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:22,880
carefully went back out there with

3031
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:24,800
shovels in hand

3032
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:27,519
you know and a rake in hand to try to

3033
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,359
defend this thing

3034
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:31,760
and sure enough the believer the freezer

3035
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,840
door was closed and it was in the

3036
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:34,960
freezer

3037
02:18:41,429 --> 02:18:38,639
door

3038
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:41,439
and it just looked up at me from within

3039
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:42,719
the freezer

3040
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,880
and kind of making this

3041
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:47,359
moaning perky sound and i thought you

3042
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:50,080
know it's dying this thing is dying

3043
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:51,359
because i

3044
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:54,160
inflicted this woman

3045
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:56,960
you didn't feel bad did you i felt

3046
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:00,399
terrible i began to feel extremely

3047
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:04,080
terrible because i had inflicted this

3048
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:05,040
wound

3049
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:08,880
jimmy i am not a brutal person i will

3050
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,719
defend myself and my family till the end

3051
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,040
but i don't want to kill

3052
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:17,679
animals i've never been a hunter i've

3053
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:20,639
been with hunters i grew up with hunters

3054
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:23,920
but i've never been interested in that

3055
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:26,800
i was i was into preserving life into

3056
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:29,599
helping people that was my occupation i

3057
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,040
took an oath a medical oath to preserve

3058
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:35,359
life not to inflict pain

3059
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:36,160
and

3060
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:40,160
i felt guilty at the same time i felt

3061
02:19:45,750 --> 02:19:42,800
sick and unable to

3062
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:45,760
rectify what had gone on what was going

3063
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:48,720
on gary was absolutely new that was an

3064
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:51,200
alien it was big deal that we had to

3065
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,760
tell everybody and it was this you know

3066
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:55,600
a monumental thing

3067
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:58,880
he was an architect he was a

3068
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,479
highly skilled graduated architect

3069
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:04,000
and and

3070
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:05,600
not at all

3071
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:08,560
someone who would run off the deep end

3072
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:11,600
but he was truly confident

3073
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:14,720
that this was an important thing for all

3074
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,080
of us to to recognize

3075
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:20,640
i started to listen to him i started to

3076
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:23,680
see what he was talking about

3077
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:26,800
we realized it wasn't dead we realized

3078
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:29,600
it wasn't screaming anymore

3079
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:32,800
and that the cold somehow

3080
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:35,680
benefited it the cold somehow may have

3081
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:37,920
kept it alive

3082
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,160
people have debated over the last 20

3083
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:42,240
years when i've talked about it nothing

3084
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:45,040
can survive in zero degrees well that's

3085
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:48,080
baloney we have all kinds of penguins

3086
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:49,760
and animal life that

3087
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:51,840
live their whole life in 50 degrees

3088
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:55,120
below zero right so so we know this is

3089
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:56,720
possible

3090
02:21:03,510 --> 02:20:59,520
we also know that there are animals that

3091
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:03,520
have split brains as we do as humans and

3092
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:06,240
you can damage one part of your brain

3093
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:09,760
and your own brain will rewire itself to

3094
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:12,560
find ways to work again

3095
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:16,640
so we know that's possible that's not a

3096
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:19,120
fantasy or an illusion

3097
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,200
it's a medical you know absolute

3098
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:25,120
so i was dealing with a lot of these

3099
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:26,479
different issues

3100
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:28,880
plus these people coming to my door

3101
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:31,520
telling me that my life was going to be

3102
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:33,840
torn apart at the next moment and i'm

3103
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,760
thinking it's already torn apart what

3104
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:37,120
can get worse

3105
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:41,040
well it did it went from bad to worse

3106
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,920
and within the next few days i'd go to

3107
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:46,160
the garage i'd sit in front of this

3108
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,359
thing

3109
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:49,920
it would get out of the freezer on its

3110
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:50,960
own

3111
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:54,560
in such a beautiful fluid motion almost

3112
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:56,880
like a gymnast

3113
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,080
lifting itself off of an apparatus or a

3114
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:02,880
high bar sit in front of the freezer and

3115
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,680
just rock back and forth with these huge

3116
02:22:10,150 --> 02:22:07,280
almond eyes

3117
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,160
looking at me making these squeaky

3118
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:12,960
little chirpy sounds and then all of a

3119
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:17,359
sudden i was getting pictures in my mind

3120
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:20,319
vivid pictures images of things that

3121
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,560
happened when i was a child

3122
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:24,800
like they were playing to me

3123
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:28,319
as a movie in my mind so vivid i could

3124
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:31,920
smell the grass and i could feel the air

3125
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:33,680
in in the picture

3126
02:22:42,270 --> 02:22:39,990
that's what this thing did that's how he

3127
02:22:44,070 --> 02:22:42,280
communicated

3128
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:44,080
telepathically

3129
02:22:49,429 --> 02:22:46,319
is is what they say

3130
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:49,439
but it it showed me images that made no

3131
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,560
sense to me geometrics that made no

3132
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:54,720
sense to me early on

3133
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:58,720
but it continued to do this for the next

3134
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:01,200
four days

3135
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:05,120
on the on the ninth day nine days after

3136
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:11,910
it

3137
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:13,750
decided to

3138
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:16,960
take some water from me i had given it

3139
02:23:22,389 --> 02:23:19,120
tried dog food i'd tried all kinds of

3140
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:22,399
food grass steak everything it would not

3141
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:24,720
eat a thing but it would take water from

3142
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,000
me in a little tin cup that i had

3143
02:23:32,150 --> 02:23:30,399
and it took it and it drank it and then

3144
02:23:33,590 --> 02:23:32,160
it would set the cup down well this day

3145
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:33,600
it took it

3146
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:37,359
drank it and threw the cup at me

3147
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:41,200
but calmly sat there and watched me

3148
02:23:47,910 --> 02:23:44,720
watch my reaction so it was learning

3149
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:47,920
about me as much as i was learning about

3150
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:48,720
it

3151
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:52,399
this this presents the fact that this

3152
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:55,920
was a highly intelligent being this was

3153
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:56,960
not

3154
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:58,720
a wild animal

3155
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:01,280
and from then on i realized i was

3156
02:24:07,990 --> 02:24:04,000
dealing with something that was ultra

3157
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:08,000
intelligent and had abilities far beyond

3158
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:11,760
my concept of what we have had

3159
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:12,720
and

3160
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:15,439
so i started to

3161
02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:16,800
feel

3162
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:20,080
confident enough to interact with it in

3163
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,520
my garage i would sit for hours with it

3164
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:25,680
as long as i could it would put these

3165
02:24:31,429 --> 02:24:28,560
images in my head of all things that i

3166
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:31,439
couldn't recognize i could not discern i

3167
02:24:37,349 --> 02:24:34,399
actually had to say slow down because it

3168
02:24:41,110 --> 02:24:37,359
was like a fire hose being

3169
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:41,120
downloaded into my head so it slowed

3170
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:44,399
down its process

3171
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:46,800
and i would try to talk and it would

3172
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:48,080
halfway

3173
02:24:52,389 --> 02:24:49,600
you know

3174
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:52,399
make gestures like it didn't understand

3175
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,160
what i was saying but then it would put

3176
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:56,800
these images back into my head

3177
02:25:01,429 --> 02:24:59,040
and this happened to the ninth day i

3178
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:01,439
went out of my house

3179
02:25:07,270 --> 02:25:04,880
went to somebody else's house took some

3180
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:07,280
of this evidence that i had because i

3181
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,560
now knew

3182
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:10,960
that they were coming after us they had

3183
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:12,720
been in my girlfriend's house my

3184
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,560
friend's house

3185
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:17,600
broken in taken stuff so i knew i had to

3186
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:19,760
get rid of this so we mailed some of it

3187
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:22,560
away i took some to another person's

3188
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:25,359
house well in driving by my house i

3189
02:25:30,870 --> 02:25:28,000
realized there were big vans sitting up

3190
02:25:34,550 --> 02:25:30,880
in my yard and there were men multiple

3191
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:34,560
men taking things out of my house

3192
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:36,399
so i wasn't going to go home so i went

3193
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:38,560
to my friend's house i called the police

3194
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,280
told them what was going on at my house

3195
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:43,439
i stayed there for a couple hours and

3196
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:46,479
then i went back and what i found was

3197
02:25:54,710 --> 02:25:48,800
that they had ransacked my house they'd

3198
02:25:58,950 --> 02:25:56,630
put holes in the floor holes in the

3199
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:58,960
walls and the ceiling they'd taken the

3200
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:01,600
toilet off of the floor

3201
02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:04,240
water was going everywhere i mean they

3202
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:08,240
literally were looking for everything

3203
02:26:12,790 --> 02:26:10,319
they didn't take money that was laying

3204
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:12,800
on my dresser but yet they took

3205
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:15,600
the slides that i had there they took

3206
02:26:19,750 --> 02:26:16,880
pictures

3207
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:19,760
they took my videotape luckily i had

3208
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:22,560
sent copies away otherwise we wouldn't

3209
02:26:30,389 --> 02:26:28,950
in that moment i knew

3210
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:30,399
my life was

3211
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:31,760
was being

3212
02:26:38,150 --> 02:26:36,319
persecuted by these terrible people

3213
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:38,160
again they'd been through my parents

3214
02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:41,600
yard they had lit effigies on fire in my

3215
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:43,760
parents yard

3216
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:46,080
threats were being made by the phone and

3217
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:48,800
people would hang up they were telling

3218
02:26:55,030 --> 02:26:51,840
me to shut up do not speak of this

3219
02:26:57,510 --> 02:26:55,040
otherwise your family will be persecuted

3220
02:27:00,309 --> 02:26:57,520
and harassed and worse

3221
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:00,319
so at that moment because i had elderly

3222
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:03,280
parents i decided i'm leaving town

3223
02:27:08,309 --> 02:27:05,600
i'm i'm going to leave

3224
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:08,319
vancouver canada was only a couple hours

3225
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:10,800
away it was town i knew well i've been

3226
02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:13,840
there a lot in my life as a kid

3227
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:17,439
so i borrowed a car i borrowed some cash

3228
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:19,040
and i took off

3229
02:27:24,630 --> 02:27:21,439
and i left my home

3230
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:24,640
and i ended up being on the streets and

3231
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:27,359
basically homeless for almost a year in

3232
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:29,520
canada

3233
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:31,680
what uh uh

3234
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:34,399
what happened to the body

3235
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:37,280
the last day before i left when i went

3236
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:39,200
back to my house and saw that it had

3237
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:41,840
been rensacked i went to the garage

3238
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:44,720
and they had pried the big garage door

3239
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:47,200
out of the wall they didn't open it they

3240
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:50,000
had literally pried it out of the wall

3241
02:27:53,429 --> 02:27:51,280
the frame

3242
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,439
i mean that takes a huge amount of

3243
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:55,439
effort and people

3244
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:58,880
set it aside and they had taken the

3245
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:00,000
freezer

3246
02:28:05,830 --> 02:28:02,720
they had taken a cord of wood that was

3247
02:28:08,550 --> 02:28:05,840
cut up and piled along the floor they

3248
02:28:11,429 --> 02:28:08,560
took all my tools

3249
02:28:13,750 --> 02:28:11,439
things that made no sense why would they

3250
02:28:14,950 --> 02:28:13,760
do this why would they take a cord of

3251
02:28:17,429 --> 02:28:14,960
cut wood

3252
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:17,439
but nevertheless it was gone well when i

3253
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:19,200
looked in the garage

3254
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:22,479
i saw the freezer was gone but i saw

3255
02:28:26,870 --> 02:28:23,600
little

3256
02:28:30,070 --> 02:28:26,880
frosty wet footprints that didn't go to

3257
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:30,080
the door they didn't go to the window

3258
02:28:33,190 --> 02:28:31,760
they went right

3259
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:33,200
to the wall

3260
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:35,840
just like he had walked right through

3261
02:28:39,349 --> 02:28:37,200
the wall

3262
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:39,359
and in one side of my mind i thought

3263
02:28:44,150 --> 02:28:41,680
well they've got him they've confiscated

3264
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:44,160
him because he was alive

3265
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:46,800
but in another sense i thought maybe he

3266
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,600
escaped maybe he got away

3267
02:28:55,750 --> 02:28:51,439
well a month later

3268
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:55,760
he materialized in front of me in canada

3269
02:29:01,190 --> 02:28:59,600
and i knew he was perfectly fine he had

3270
02:29:03,670 --> 02:29:01,200
gone back

3271
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:03,680
with his own however you want to say

3272
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:04,640
that

3273
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:06,840
he had

3274
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:09,680
decided that it was time to leave and he

3275
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:12,560
did which he probably could have done

3276
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:16,319
almost at any time that he was with me

3277
02:29:20,790 --> 02:29:18,240
something that i failed to mention the

3278
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:20,800
second day after i returned from the

3279
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:23,280
woods gary said we're gonna go back

3280
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:24,960
we're gonna get the obelisk we're gonna

3281
02:29:30,150 --> 02:29:27,120
get this big black craft so he took a

3282
02:29:32,070 --> 02:29:30,160
trailer and his truck and changed we

3283
02:29:36,230 --> 02:29:32,080
went up there and there was nothing

3284
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,240
there not a thing in fact the ferns and

3285
02:29:40,710 --> 02:29:39,120
the underbrush that i pulled out to get

3286
02:29:43,510 --> 02:29:40,720
a clear picture

3287
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:43,520
looked like it had been replanted looked

3288
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:46,240
like it had never ever happened almost

3289
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:49,439
like the time had been switched

3290
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,760
in this place

3291
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:54,080
incredible just incredible but

3292
02:29:58,870 --> 02:29:56,240
nevertheless it was gone

3293
02:30:01,190 --> 02:29:58,880
so that was the last time i saw this

3294
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:01,200
black floating

3295
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:02,640
insanity

3296
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:04,720
let's uh take our break right here this

3297
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:06,479
is fade to black i'm jimmy church our

3298
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,200
guest tonight dr jonathan reed one of

3299
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:12,080
the most incredible encounters i've got

3300
02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:13,840
some more images too

3301
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:15,680
uh that i want to

3302
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:18,640
take the chance to get your comments on

3303
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:20,479
dr reed we'll do all of that we're going

3304
02:30:24,389 --> 02:30:22,479
to overtime you knew

3305
02:30:26,630 --> 02:30:24,399
we were doing overtime tonight so to dr

3306
02:30:29,130 --> 02:30:26,640
reed and we'll be right back right after

3307
02:30:35,429 --> 02:30:29,140
this short break stay with us

3308
02:30:42,500 --> 02:30:35,439
[Music]

3309
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:42,510
[Applause]

3310
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:52,630
you're listening to jimmy church and

3311
02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:54,160
fade to black

3312
02:31:04,389 --> 02:31:01,510
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3313
02:31:08,710 --> 02:31:04,399
you are listening to my boy jimmy church

3314
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:11,190
despite popular opinion

3315
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:20,710
right now eden pier is having their

3316
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:23,120
famous bogo deal on thunderstorm air

3317
02:31:27,910 --> 02:31:25,760
purifiers one listener wrote it makes a

3318
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:27,920
huge difference in our cat litter box

3319
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:30,560
stink i just wish i waited for the bogo

3320
02:31:37,190 --> 02:31:33,840
deal i need another one well now's the

3321
02:31:39,590 --> 02:31:37,200
time bogo is back so when you buy one

3322
02:31:41,910 --> 02:31:39,600
thunderstorm you get one free no matter

3323
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:41,920
how many you buy you buy two you get two

3324
02:31:46,550 --> 02:31:44,560
free you buy five you get five free the

3325
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tonight dr jonathan reed and

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um i i can't

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02:36:24,309 --> 02:36:22,399
i just can't get uh enough of of of this

3421
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:24,319
story in its entirety

3422
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:27,439
um and i want to take uh an opportunity

3423
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:30,319
if i may too uh to go back and revisit

3424
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:31,439
some things

3425
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,880
during overtime

3426
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:35,280
kind of loosen up a little bit right if

3427
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:37,600
we can it's such an intense story

3428
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:41,520
but uh during those nine days

3429
02:36:47,190 --> 02:36:44,640
did you bond did you fee was it was it a

3430
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:47,200
bonding thing did you

3431
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,439
i don't know is friendship the right

3432
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:51,680
word but were you guys starting to

3433
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:53,680
accept each other

3434
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,680
as strange as it may seem yes i started

3435
02:37:00,870 --> 02:36:59,680
to feel

3436
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:00,880
uh

3437
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:04,560
empathy for this creature empathy for

3438
02:37:08,469 --> 02:37:07,520
the fact that he was so intelligent

3439
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:08,479
he was

3440
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:11,600
had this ability to communicate and he

3441
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:14,000
wasn't killing me he was not being

3442
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:16,640
aggressive which he certainly could have

3443
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:19,840
i had seen his strength his ability his

3444
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:22,960
agility and he wasn't doing that so that

3445
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:25,359
if nothing else encouraged me to

3446
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:26,560
continue

3447
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:28,160
to try to

3448
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:30,479
reason with him and tell him that i was

3449
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:31,520
sorry

3450
02:37:36,389 --> 02:37:34,560
for what i had done to him and explained

3451
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:36,399
to him why

3452
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:39,760
why and seeing my dog brutally

3453
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:43,520
torn apart would effectively drive me

3454
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:46,640
insane enough to try to defend her and

3455
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:48,399
myself

3456
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:50,800
that didn't seem to contemplate in his

3457
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,520
head he didn't seem to even want to deal

3458
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:55,920
with that in any way he'd just go on to

3459
02:37:59,910 --> 02:37:58,000
other things

3460
02:38:02,950 --> 02:37:59,920
jimmy there's some things we need to

3461
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:02,960
know about this this timeline this whole

3462
02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:05,280
circumstance

3463
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:07,200
the year i was away

3464
02:38:13,110 --> 02:38:10,399
i was depressed i felt like i had to

3465
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:13,120
stay away i was worried that my parents

3466
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:14,960
my friends were going to be

3467
02:38:20,150 --> 02:38:17,359
hurt by this because they already had

3468
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:20,160
been affected so that was the reason i

3469
02:38:24,550 --> 02:38:22,880
left my community i left seattle and

3470
02:38:26,870 --> 02:38:24,560
went to vancouver

3471
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:26,880
living on the street i

3472
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:29,280
i learned very quickly

3473
02:38:34,710 --> 02:38:31,600
that i wasn't in any comfort zone i

3474
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,720
hated what was going on i hated my life

3475
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:36,720
not having

3476
02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:38,800
anything going from

3477
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:41,200
having a really secure productive life

3478
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:42,720
to nothing

3479
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:46,080
was was terribly difficult for me

3480
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:47,280
and

3481
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:49,840
10 months into that i sat in a burned

3482
02:38:54,830 --> 02:38:52,160
out building an old apartment house

3483
02:38:58,550 --> 02:38:54,840
where i was living

3484
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:58,560
uh with a gun in one hand

3485
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:00,960
and a phone number that i had been given

3486
02:39:06,550 --> 02:39:04,319
when i left right before i left seattle

3487
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:06,560
and i was prepared to end my life

3488
02:39:12,389 --> 02:39:09,359
because my life was over my life as i

3489
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:12,399
knew it was gone i was being hunted by

3490
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:14,880
people on the street that even had

3491
02:39:19,349 --> 02:39:17,760
followed me to vancouver i had escaped

3492
02:39:22,710 --> 02:39:19,359
them

3493
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:22,720
by one grace of god or another but i was

3494
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:24,720
living in the trees in

3495
02:39:29,429 --> 02:39:26,560
stanley park

3496
02:39:31,270 --> 02:39:29,439
eating food that i was even stealing to

3497
02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:31,280
survive i had lost

3498
02:39:36,550 --> 02:39:35,120
almost 100 pounds so my life was

3499
02:39:38,790 --> 02:39:36,560
in shambles

3500
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:38,800
so as i sat there in this basement with

3501
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:40,560
a gun in one hand i thought well i can

3502
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:43,200
kill myself at any time

3503
02:39:47,110 --> 02:39:45,520
so maybe i better try calling this phone

3504
02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:47,120
number because somebody gave me the

3505
02:39:52,150 --> 02:39:49,120
number and said you'll come to a time

3506
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:52,160
where you'll want to talk to somebody

3507
02:39:56,870 --> 02:39:53,920
who will listen to you

3508
02:39:59,349 --> 02:39:56,880
and i didn't believe it but of course i

3509
02:40:01,590 --> 02:39:59,359
said all right so i went to a pay phone

3510
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:01,600
that's a phone that's hanging in the

3511
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:04,399
middle of a public square we don't have

3512
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:07,760
them anymore but no we don't i put in

3513
02:40:12,710 --> 02:40:10,399
you know put in some money called this

3514
02:40:17,190 --> 02:40:12,720
number and the very first thing they

3515
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:17,200
said is jonathan how can we help you

3516
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:20,399
and i was so taken back i hung up and

3517
02:40:26,070 --> 02:40:23,680
ran away and came back like 40 minutes

3518
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:26,080
later and called them back and said who

3519
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:28,479
are you what are you and they said we're

3520
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:30,960
healthy here to help you we know what's

3521
02:40:35,190 --> 02:40:32,880
going on we know what you've been

3522
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:35,200
through we've helped other people like

3523
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:36,240
this

3524
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:38,720
what do you need what would you like do

3525
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:40,560
you need money do you need a place to

3526
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,720
stay do you need medical attention

3527
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:45,359
whatever you need we will provide

3528
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:47,359
and so of course i didn't believe him i

3529
02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:49,760
was arrogant i said fine give me a

3530
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:51,760
hundred dollars in an envelope

3531
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:53,439
underneath this bench and i don't want

3532
02:40:57,269 --> 02:40:56,160
to see anybody around it otherwise i'm

3533
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:57,279
walking

3534
02:41:01,190 --> 02:41:00,080
well they did it they did exactly what i

3535
02:41:03,750 --> 02:41:01,200
asked

3536
02:41:07,190 --> 02:41:03,760
i called them back later and i started a

3537
02:41:09,670 --> 02:41:07,200
rapport with these people who never

3538
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:09,680
imposed anything on me except they

3539
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:12,080
wanted to help me through this i even

3540
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:14,080
ended up going to a hotel that they

3541
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:16,880
provided me they provided me medical

3542
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:17,760
care

3543
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:20,479
food i could actually stay there live

3544
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:21,520
there

3545
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:24,479
and eventually they talked to me and

3546
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:25,840
said

3547
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:28,399
we can help you work through this we

3548
02:41:33,990 --> 02:41:31,040
know how difficult this must be

3549
02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:34,000
we have dealt with this reality

3550
02:41:39,670 --> 02:41:36,880
for years and years

3551
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:39,680
and these people i put a name i call

3552
02:41:46,150 --> 02:41:42,479
them the alliance okay they didn't have

3553
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:46,160
a name this is what i gave them

3554
02:41:52,230 --> 02:41:49,120
they did help me they brought me back in

3555
02:41:54,950 --> 02:41:52,240
health and in mental spirits and said

3556
02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:54,960
you know someday you might want to tell

3557
02:42:00,389 --> 02:41:57,680
this story to somebody if no other

3558
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,399
reason to yourself and put it in some

3559
02:42:04,150 --> 02:42:02,399
kind of chronicle order maybe you want

3560
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:04,160
to write a journal

3561
02:42:08,550 --> 02:42:06,160
you know about this just to get it so

3562
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:08,560
that's how it started i wrote that

3563
02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:10,640
journal that made sense that's what i

3564
02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:13,840
used to tell people in counseling you

3565
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:16,479
know go through this it'll be cathartic

3566
02:42:21,990 --> 02:42:19,920
well it was and so i wrote a journal and

3567
02:42:22,950 --> 02:42:22,000
after a while they said

3568
02:42:25,030 --> 02:42:22,960
you know

3569
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:25,040
you could work with a writer there's a

3570
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:27,840
bunch of writers who will co-write with

3571
02:42:33,349 --> 02:42:30,800
you even ghost writers will help you

3572
02:42:36,309 --> 02:42:33,359
write this down for yourself

3573
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:36,319
so i took their list i made a call the

3574
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:38,960
call i ended up

3575
02:42:43,830 --> 02:42:41,200
dealing with the guy's name was robert

3576
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:43,840
wraith he was from california he was a

3577
02:42:49,910 --> 02:42:46,800
ghost writer a freelance writer i talked

3578
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:49,920
to him for probably 40 minutes on the on

3579
02:42:53,990 --> 02:42:52,160
the phone and i said i'd like to meet

3580
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:54,000
with you i'd like to show you some

3581
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:57,120
things he probably thought i was nuts

3582
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:00,560
but he did it he flew to seattle i came

3583
02:43:06,550 --> 02:43:03,600
back down from vancouver we sat in the

3584
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:06,560
lobby of a big hotel and we talked for

3585
02:43:12,710 --> 02:43:10,560
hours and hours and he ended up saying

3586
02:43:14,790 --> 02:43:12,720
yes i will help you

3587
02:43:17,429 --> 02:43:14,800
because i had no money i couldn't pay

3588
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:17,439
him to do this all i could do is ask for

3589
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:20,160
his help well he did that he helped me

3590
02:43:25,750 --> 02:43:23,120
he nursed me back to health he made it

3591
02:43:29,510 --> 02:43:25,760
got an apartment in seattle let me live

3592
02:43:32,630 --> 02:43:29,520
with him in his living room he fed me he

3593
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:32,640
clothed me he got me medical attention

3594
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:34,080
and we spent

3595
02:43:37,349 --> 02:43:35,680
over a year

3596
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:37,359
from writing

3597
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:38,160
my

3598
02:43:43,590 --> 02:43:41,680
cathartic journal which was about 12 to

3599
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:43,600
1300 pages

3600
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:46,399
into a book that we call

3601
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:49,200
link the extraterrestrial odyssey and

3602
02:43:53,510 --> 02:43:52,160
it's available on annika and

3603
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:53,520
anaheim

3604
02:43:56,790 --> 02:43:55,680
amazon amazon

3605
02:43:57,670 --> 02:43:56,800
and

3606
02:44:00,389 --> 02:43:57,680
it's

3607
02:44:02,630 --> 02:44:00,399
literally a story of the first nine days

3608
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:02,640
which we are talking about it's all the

3609
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:06,000
intricacies that happen look i didn't do

3610
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:08,720
anything right i had no manual to go by

3611
02:44:12,710 --> 02:44:11,120
i didn't know what to do so i made a lot

3612
02:44:16,550 --> 02:44:12,720
of mistakes

3613
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:16,560
but what i did was keep going when

3614
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:19,600
something would present an obstacle i'd

3615
02:44:25,110 --> 02:44:22,399
we'd find a way around it robert is the

3616
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,120
one who said all of a sudden there's

3617
02:44:29,510 --> 02:44:27,279
this guy on the radio art bell you got

3618
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:29,520
to talk to him this is what he does he's

3619
02:44:34,389 --> 02:44:32,479
the only guy in town in the country

3620
02:44:36,630 --> 02:44:34,399
that is doing this

3621
02:44:38,950 --> 02:44:36,640
and he has this show on every night

3622
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:38,960
you've got to talk to him so we sent him

3623
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:41,680
a fax we just sent him a fax thinking

3624
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:44,640
he'd never answer the facts said there

3625
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:45,600
are

3626
02:44:51,990 --> 02:44:48,399
what would you do if you had a guy who

3627
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:52,000
had this experience who had a body who

3628
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:54,800
had evidence of this and

3629
02:44:59,190 --> 02:44:57,680
and factual photographs and video what

3630
02:45:01,510 --> 02:44:59,200
would you do

3631
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:01,520
the second he got that

3632
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:04,399
facts he called robert and talked to him

3633
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:07,439
that night and said i got this i got

3634
02:45:12,150 --> 02:45:09,680
this fact from robert and we're going to

3635
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,160
talk to them art was very skeptical he

3636
02:45:17,510 --> 02:45:14,880
got a lot of weird stuff in his life

3637
02:45:18,469 --> 02:45:17,520
but he talked to him and within 10

3638
02:45:21,670 --> 02:45:18,479
minutes

3639
02:45:22,950 --> 02:45:21,680
he had asked robert can we get jonathan

3640
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:22,960
on the show

3641
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:26,000
and robert said yes yes we can

3642
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:28,800
that was before we had any book written

3643
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:31,600
it was before anything was published so

3644
02:45:35,110 --> 02:45:33,279
we weren't doing things in the right

3645
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:35,120
order we were just doing things that

3646
02:45:39,030 --> 02:45:38,000
would present themselves one thing after

3647
02:45:41,429 --> 02:45:39,040
another

3648
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,439
and as you know jimmy

3649
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,680
sometimes you got to take a risk you got

3650
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:45,279
to take a chance

3651
02:45:49,429 --> 02:45:47,600
and that's what was in my head my what

3652
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:49,439
was in my head is

3653
02:45:53,830 --> 02:45:51,439
don't say no

3654
02:45:55,670 --> 02:45:53,840
to an opportunity like this because

3655
02:45:57,670 --> 02:45:55,680
you're at the end of your life i thought

3656
02:45:59,510 --> 02:45:57,680
i was at the end of my life

3657
02:46:01,670 --> 02:45:59,520
and i said i'm not going to say no

3658
02:46:06,469 --> 02:46:01,680
anymore i'm just going to do it

3659
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:10,150
i robert was a great writer he found a

3660
02:46:15,830 --> 02:46:13,359
way to take my words and go from black

3661
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:15,840
and white into technical look it's a

3662
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:19,279
wonderful book portrayal of me talking

3663
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:22,640
to gary my friend talking with robert

3664
02:46:28,150 --> 02:46:25,439
explaining all this it's a very easy

3665
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:28,160
read it's under 200 pages and it's

3666
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,359
available

3667
02:46:35,349 --> 02:46:31,920
what people don't know is every step of

3668
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:35,359
the way was a conflict we took this book

3669
02:46:40,070 --> 02:46:37,439
to several different publishers to

3670
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:40,080
publish it to write it to do all those

3671
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:42,399
things one of those publishers said okay

3672
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:45,120
we're going to do it a midwest publisher

3673
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:48,000
a small publishing house

3674
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:50,800
within days the publisher called me and

3675
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:53,520
said they've burnt down my facility

3676
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:55,680
burnt it to the ground

3677
02:47:01,590 --> 02:46:59,040
almost killing some of his staff

3678
02:47:04,070 --> 02:47:01,600
these became the obstacles

3679
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:04,080
these became the reality that i had to

3680
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:06,960
deal with this wasn't you know a little

3681
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:10,800
fun e.t project this was a hard

3682
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:13,840
reality of life and death

3683
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:15,279
um

3684
02:47:20,710 --> 02:47:18,000
i would i was in i've done a lot of

3685
02:47:23,190 --> 02:47:20,720
different things to make this happen i

3686
02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:23,200
ended up living in the place that

3687
02:47:29,110 --> 02:47:25,359
actually printed the book

3688
02:47:31,510 --> 02:47:29,120
i ended up self-publishing because of

3689
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:31,520
god's help and friends help who helped

3690
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:33,600
me put the money together because

3691
02:47:39,349 --> 02:47:36,080
publishers for a first-hand writer will

3692
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:39,359
pay you 15 to 20 cents per copy when

3693
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:41,439
you're first coming out well

3694
02:47:46,790 --> 02:47:44,640
self-publishing paid me about four

3695
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:46,800
dollars per book and that sounded a lot

3696
02:47:51,269 --> 02:47:49,680
better to me and my jewish side said

3697
02:47:53,590 --> 02:47:51,279
that's the way to go

3698
02:47:56,150 --> 02:47:53,600
so i did that's what we did

3699
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:56,160
we printed you know a couple thousand

3700
02:47:59,510 --> 02:47:57,760
copies

3701
02:48:02,150 --> 02:47:59,520
from art bell

3702
02:48:03,990 --> 02:48:02,160
being on our bell that triggered people

3703
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:04,000
around the country saying would you come

3704
02:48:09,830 --> 02:48:07,200
and speak at our place i went to speak

3705
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:09,840
at a little conference in san diego the

3706
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,640
very first one i was going to ever speak

3707
02:48:16,389 --> 02:48:14,880
at there were about 50 people they were

3708
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:16,399
very kind to me

3709
02:48:21,910 --> 02:48:18,800
i flew down there with robert a couple

3710
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:21,920
other people that became my team

3711
02:48:27,030 --> 02:48:24,479
i did it they were happy i flew home to

3712
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:27,040
vancouver the next morning i went out to

3713
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:28,880
get a newspaper i came out of the

3714
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:31,120
building in a parking lot and a man

3715
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:33,680
walked up to me with a pistol and put it

3716
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:39,429
and i not thinking i thought i don't

3717
02:48:44,630 --> 02:48:41,600
want this to go off in my heart i

3718
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,640
grabbed it i pulled it away it fired

3719
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:46,880
i thought okay it's missed me but the

3720
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,040
guy calmly put the gun

3721
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:51,840
pistol back in his holster inside of his

3722
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:54,240
coat and said to me

3723
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:57,680
you need to learn to shut up

3724
02:49:02,389 --> 02:48:59,600
and he walked away

3725
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:02,399
and i said oh i'm fine the guy walking

3726
02:49:07,030 --> 02:49:04,800
by said you're not fine you're bleeding

3727
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:07,040
all over the gun had fired through my

3728
02:49:11,429 --> 02:49:08,560
arm through my

3729
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:11,439
clavicle in my back

3730
02:49:16,790 --> 02:49:14,640
and i mean today i still have the scars

3731
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:16,800
and the proof of it i've got pictures of

3732
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,279
that wound i've had it looked at by

3733
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:21,120
police by

3734
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:22,560
small arms

3735
02:49:28,469 --> 02:49:25,760
specialists who said absolutely i picked

3736
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:28,479
up the nine millimeter shell that was

3737
02:49:34,070 --> 02:49:31,040
ejected from his gun on the ground that

3738
02:49:36,950 --> 02:49:34,080
day the guy walked away to his van

3739
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:36,960
backed up and the government the plates

3740
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:40,640
on his man said u.s government exempt

3741
02:49:46,230 --> 02:49:43,359
this is in canada

3742
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,240
so this is what i've been up against

3743
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:48,399
every step of the way this was the first

3744
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:50,640
time i spoke

3745
02:49:54,870 --> 02:49:52,960
then i was asked to go to the keynote

3746
02:49:56,070 --> 02:49:54,880
become the keynote

3747
02:49:58,950 --> 02:49:56,080
speaker

3748
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:58,960
in in las vegas out of las vegas

3749
02:50:04,150 --> 02:50:01,359
laughlin nevada for the international

3750
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:04,160
ufo congress which i'm sure most people

3751
02:50:10,230 --> 02:50:07,279
have heard of i've never heard of it

3752
02:50:12,710 --> 02:50:10,240
i was contacted by wendell stevens and

3753
02:50:17,670 --> 02:50:12,720
don ware who were some of the

3754
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:20,150
i didn't know what they expected i was

3755
02:50:26,630 --> 02:50:23,439
afraid of my shadow really realizing i'd

3756
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:26,640
been shot you know a month before i

3757
02:50:31,910 --> 02:50:28,720
figured i'd be dead if i went to this

3758
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:31,920
thing i gathered a team of people who

3759
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:34,160
volunteered to help protect me while i

3760
02:50:37,670 --> 02:50:35,600
was there

3761
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:37,680
i only came out

3762
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:40,399
the day that i spoke you know i didn't

3763
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:41,920
go to the

3764
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:44,800
the cocktail parties or the dinners or

3765
02:50:50,630 --> 02:50:47,840
anything else i sat in my room thinking

3766
02:50:51,429 --> 02:50:50,640
i'm going to be dead

3767
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:51,439
and

3768
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:53,359
i spoke

3769
02:50:59,590 --> 02:50:56,640
to a crowd that was 850 people you could

3770
02:51:01,990 --> 02:50:59,600
have heard a pin drop we did nothing

3771
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,000
like any other lecture had ever done i

3772
02:51:06,950 --> 02:51:04,720
presented the videotape from the woods

3773
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:06,960
the videotape of the analysis of the

3774
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:10,560
body at home the blinking tape i had all

3775
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:13,200
of my pictures and slides that was

3776
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:15,840
slides in those days it wasn't

3777
02:51:21,510 --> 02:51:19,760
i've seen i've seen uh this uh i've seen

3778
02:51:24,550 --> 02:51:21,520
the presentation

3779
02:51:27,510 --> 02:51:24,560
okay and i was and i was scared to death

3780
02:51:29,990 --> 02:51:27,520
i was i was afraid

3781
02:51:32,389 --> 02:51:30,000
but jimmy let me tell you this you did

3782
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:32,399
pretty good you did pretty good though

3783
02:51:36,790 --> 02:51:34,960
i want to say it was a good presentation

3784
02:51:39,910 --> 02:51:36,800
look look

3785
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:39,920
as an outsider somebody who's not into

3786
02:51:43,830 --> 02:51:41,200
this

3787
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:43,840
subject ufology

3788
02:51:49,349 --> 02:51:46,800
if i had a personal experience that if i

3789
02:51:52,950 --> 02:51:49,359
hadn't been there and seen all these

3790
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:52,960
things with my own eyes and my own hands

3791
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:53,680
hey

3792
02:51:58,790 --> 02:51:56,160
i wouldn't believe it either

3793
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:58,800
but nevertheless it occurred that's what

3794
02:52:03,990 --> 02:52:01,680
i'm left with and when people say well i

3795
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,000
don't believe i said that's fine

3796
02:52:07,750 --> 02:52:06,560
don't believe it but the evidence still

3797
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:07,760
exists

3798
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:10,640
the negatives the positive prints the

3799
02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:13,200
videotapes who have all been analyzed

3800
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:15,760
that were made contemporarianiously

3801
02:52:21,510 --> 02:52:18,720
to the dates of the events

3802
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:21,520
are all real and i found some other

3803
02:52:28,150 --> 02:52:25,040
things i did a blood analysis of the

3804
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:28,160
wound in the creature's head i took dna

3805
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:29,200
samples

3806
02:52:34,790 --> 02:52:32,479
and and chromosome studies that i took

3807
02:52:36,950 --> 02:52:34,800
to a guy at the university of washington

3808
02:52:40,070 --> 02:52:36,960
who i personally knew

3809
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,080
who was head of pathology dr roger hag

3810
02:52:45,030 --> 02:52:42,960
at university washington medical school

3811
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:45,040
he said what is this jonathan i said i

3812
02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:46,399
don't want to tell you that i want you

3813
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:47,760
to tell me

3814
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:50,000
what you can find out he said okay no

3815
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:52,880
problem i'll tell you whatever it is but

3816
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:54,720
i'm not going to lie to you i'm going to

3817
02:53:00,550 --> 02:52:58,160
tell you the truth so in those days dna

3818
02:53:02,870 --> 02:53:00,560
chromosome studies were not done in the

3819
02:53:06,550 --> 02:53:02,880
computer they were done by hand it took

3820
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:06,560
about a week to do it we didn't have

3821
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:09,760
computer programming to do that yet like

3822
02:53:15,510 --> 02:53:12,080
they do nowadays

3823
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:15,520
so he took it took it to his lab had

3824
02:53:20,870 --> 02:53:17,600
other people work with it to present

3825
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:20,880
this material i took it to him

3826
02:53:24,550 --> 02:53:23,600
on literally the 20th

3827
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:24,560
of

3828
02:53:34,389 --> 02:53:30,960
this dna evidence put it in a freezer

3829
02:53:36,950 --> 02:53:34,399
froze it so i still had this available

3830
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,960
gary had hidden this away

3831
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:39,680
so i took it back gary and i took it

3832
02:53:43,349 --> 02:53:40,720
back

3833
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:43,359
took it to roger haggett he did the

3834
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:46,960
analysis he came back to me five days

3835
02:53:52,150 --> 02:53:50,319
later with the results and said

3836
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:52,160
i don't know where you got this but i

3837
02:53:56,870 --> 02:53:54,240
want to publish it

3838
02:53:57,990 --> 02:53:56,880
because it's like nothing i've ever seen

3839
02:54:00,230 --> 02:53:58,000
before

3840
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:00,240
and i said what do you mean he says well

3841
02:54:06,389 --> 02:54:03,200
it's got 46 chromosomes just like us

3842
02:54:10,710 --> 02:54:06,399
human but nine of the pair

3843
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:10,720
are different and they could only be

3844
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:12,800
carefully

3845
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:16,240
registered to something similar to sea

3846
02:54:21,910 --> 02:54:19,040
tortoise and dolphin and in their

3847
02:54:24,230 --> 02:54:21,920
database that's all they could identify

3848
02:54:26,790 --> 02:54:24,240
this was done with three university

3849
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:26,800
studies before i did it this was

3850
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:28,880
independent from me

3851
02:54:34,870 --> 02:54:31,279
and he said i'm gonna run the test again

3852
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:34,880
doesn't but it's conclusive this is not

3853
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:36,000
simply

3854
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:39,680
a human dna but jonathan we don't have

3855
02:54:44,710 --> 02:54:41,760
the ability to mix

3856
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:44,720
to blend dna we can't do that our

3857
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:47,680
science is not smart enough to do that

3858
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,560
yet

3859
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:51,120
so he says i don't know what you've got

3860
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:53,359
but it's amazing and i want to publish

3861
02:54:59,110 --> 02:54:56,399
it i said great sounds good i'm all for

3862
02:55:01,030 --> 02:54:59,120
it he went back to do his thing

3863
02:55:03,030 --> 02:55:01,040
well that was

3864
02:55:04,630 --> 02:55:03,040
that was the 25th

3865
02:55:07,990 --> 02:55:04,640
of june

3866
02:55:09,190 --> 02:55:08,000
on the 27th

3867
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:09,200
he came

3868
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:11,439
i got a phone call

3869
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:12,479
and dr

3870
02:55:18,790 --> 02:55:16,080
haggett was murdered in his office

3871
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:18,800
by an unknown assailant student who

3872
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:21,359
walked in his office shot haggad in the

3873
02:55:28,150 --> 02:55:24,960
head and killed himself

3874
02:55:31,670 --> 02:55:28,160
i had a phone call from his

3875
02:55:34,910 --> 02:55:31,680
dr haggett's secretary

3876
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:34,920
she told me a bunch of men came in

3877
02:55:39,830 --> 02:55:36,640
immediately

3878
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:39,840
before she had called anybody

3879
02:55:43,590 --> 02:55:42,479
and confiscated everything from his

3880
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:43,600
office

3881
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:45,840
all of the paper

3882
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:48,880
materials all of his electronic

3883
02:55:55,429 --> 02:55:52,160
materials computers hard drives and took

3884
02:56:00,070 --> 02:55:55,439
it all out of his office before the

3885
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:00,080
police got there to investigate the case

3886
02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:04,000
now who had the ability to do this

3887
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:06,880
right think about that right and i i

3888
02:56:10,150 --> 02:56:09,359
i've only got two minutes left uh dr

3889
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,160
reed

3890
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,960
um and

3891
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:14,720
this is just part one everybody just

3892
02:56:20,309 --> 02:56:15,760
relax

3893
02:56:22,550 --> 02:56:20,319
um you sent me images of uh the bracelet

3894
02:56:25,269 --> 02:56:22,560
or uh the the

3895
02:56:27,750 --> 02:56:25,279
link artifact is what i call it yeah the

3896
02:56:29,190 --> 02:56:27,760
link artifact i'm gonna i'm gonna pop up

3897
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:29,200
uh

3898
02:56:32,870 --> 02:56:30,720
we're gonna end the show on this because

3899
02:56:37,510 --> 02:56:32,880
we're gonna come back for a part two

3900
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,520
um uh you sent me this image um now uh

3901
02:56:43,349 --> 02:56:38,960
did the

3902
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:43,359
and again i've got 60 seconds maybe 90.

3903
02:56:45,830 --> 02:56:44,640
um

3904
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:45,840
how

3905
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:46,640
was

3906
02:56:52,070 --> 02:56:47,680
with

3907
02:56:54,389 --> 02:56:52,080
in the forest when i went to wrap up the

3908
02:56:57,190 --> 02:56:54,399
body this was laying two to three feet

3909
02:57:00,309 --> 02:56:57,200
away under the underbrush i saw it i

3910
02:57:02,710 --> 02:57:00,319
thought it was a bent coca-cola can i

3911
02:57:05,190 --> 02:57:02,720
picked it up it wasn't

3912
02:57:07,670 --> 02:57:05,200
it's a small cuff bracelet looks like

3913
02:57:10,389 --> 02:57:07,680
it's stainless steel or aluminum it's

3914
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:10,399
got hieroglyphs ribs surface holographs

3915
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:13,680
on it it's got three needles underneath

3916
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:15,439
and i didn't know what it was i put it

3917
02:57:20,469 --> 02:57:17,760
in with the body and i brought it home

3918
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:20,479
i've later figured out and found out

3919
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:21,359
through

3920
02:57:25,990 --> 02:57:23,600
a weird process that it's a

3921
02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:26,000
communication some kind of communication

3922
02:57:27,990 --> 02:57:27,040
device

3923
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:28,000
with

3924
02:57:32,070 --> 02:57:29,040
either

3925
02:57:35,030 --> 02:57:32,080
between the alien and the black craft

3926
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:35,040
and or his superiors

3927
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:38,160
one reason or another i made some stupid

3928
02:57:44,469 --> 02:57:41,439
decisions and i put it on my wrist

3929
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,479
and it does function and it is a

3930
02:57:48,030 --> 02:57:46,160
incredibly

3931
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:48,040
advanced

3932
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:51,200
teleportation device

3933
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:54,240
and i have used it several times

3934
02:58:00,469 --> 02:57:57,279
where um where is it today

3935
02:58:03,590 --> 02:58:00,479
it is in safe keeping where even i don't

3936
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:03,600
know its location but i can

3937
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,279
get it through a process a process of

3938
02:58:12,550 --> 02:58:09,600
many people's phone calls

3939
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:12,560
and people only knowing a certain

3940
02:58:15,670 --> 02:58:13,680
fraction

3941
02:58:17,750 --> 02:58:15,680
of it

3942
02:58:21,349 --> 02:58:17,760
this device was also

3943
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:21,359
taken to russia by me

3944
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:24,000
in a seminar and used

3945
02:58:27,990 --> 02:58:25,840
in conjunction with some of their

3946
02:58:30,230 --> 02:58:28,000
scientists that were working on some

3947
02:58:34,309 --> 02:58:30,240
devices similar to this

3948
02:58:37,030 --> 02:58:34,319
in peru i met a bunch of cosmonauts

3949
02:58:41,190 --> 02:58:37,040
later they invited me to this conference

3950
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:41,200
i went i talked to them they had two

3951
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:44,840
volunteer scientists try to use this

3952
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:48,720
device one came back instantly dead the

3953
02:58:54,230 --> 02:58:51,600
other one tried it later and died a week

3954
02:59:00,469 --> 02:58:56,630
it's not designed for me

3955
02:59:02,550 --> 02:59:00,479
it does do some damage to our body but

3956
02:59:05,670 --> 02:59:02,560
it hasn't killed me i've tried to give

3957
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,680
it back i've tried relentlessly to say

3958
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:07,359
please take this

3959
02:59:11,830 --> 02:59:08,560
people

3960
02:59:14,150 --> 02:59:11,840
to freddie who i call the little alien

3961
02:59:17,030 --> 02:59:14,160
please tell your superiors to take it

3962
02:59:18,150 --> 02:59:17,040
back i don't want the responsibility

3963
02:59:20,710 --> 02:59:18,160
and it

3964
02:59:21,990 --> 02:59:20,720
has been left with me so i have taken

3965
02:59:26,070 --> 02:59:22,000
great care

3966
02:59:28,870 --> 02:59:26,080
to stow it away in a safe secret place

3967
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:28,880
if something should happen to me

3968
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:32,000
my team knows how to deal with this

3969
02:59:37,030 --> 02:59:35,200
and can can literally take care of it

3970
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:37,040
one way or another

3971
02:59:43,429 --> 02:59:40,240
but it's an incredible responsibility

3972
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:43,439
it's not a toy it's not something

3973
02:59:48,790 --> 02:59:46,080
that you can just take out and and be

3974
02:59:49,910 --> 02:59:48,800
frivolous with i believe that there is a

3975
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:49,920
uh

3976
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:52,720
an honor and a respect

3977
02:59:58,150 --> 02:59:55,439
that has to be made during this

3978
03:00:02,710 --> 03:00:00,630
something before i forget and i have to

3979
03:00:05,429 --> 03:00:02,720
say this people say well what happened

3980
03:00:08,389 --> 03:00:05,439
to freddie did the did the people get

3981
03:00:09,830 --> 03:00:08,399
him no they did not get him he went back

3982
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:09,840
with his own

3983
03:00:15,670 --> 03:00:12,000
he's since come back

3984
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:15,680
over the last 25 years and revisited me

3985
03:00:20,309 --> 03:00:18,000
sometimes as much as once a week

3986
03:00:21,590 --> 03:00:20,319
appearing in front of me and other

3987
03:00:25,670 --> 03:00:21,600
people

3988
03:00:29,110 --> 03:00:25,680
who meet me

3989
03:00:31,510 --> 03:00:29,120
he will go to them in their house

3990
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:31,520
and and materialize in the corner and

3991
03:00:37,190 --> 03:00:33,680
just sit and look at them

3992
03:00:40,469 --> 03:00:37,200
uh it's incredible jimmy it's a but it's

3993
03:00:42,070 --> 03:00:40,479
real it's tangible as flesh and blood

3994
03:00:44,870 --> 03:00:42,080
blood as we are

3995
03:00:46,309 --> 03:00:44,880
he has the ability to wink in and out of

3996
03:00:48,870 --> 03:00:46,319
our dimension

3997
03:00:52,710 --> 03:00:48,880
his ability to escape

3998
03:00:55,910 --> 03:00:52,720
using dimension as their transportation

3999
03:00:58,150 --> 03:00:55,920
uh i've learned a lot more i know

4000
03:01:02,870 --> 03:00:58,160
where he's come from i know some of

4001
03:01:07,429 --> 03:01:05,910
and and dr reed um i've got a rap

4002
03:01:10,070 --> 03:01:07,439
because we're at the end of the show

4003
03:01:13,670 --> 03:01:10,080
incredible conversation tonight

4004
03:01:15,990 --> 03:01:13,680
um we'll save all of that for part two

4005
03:01:17,910 --> 03:01:16,000
and uh

4006
03:01:20,790 --> 03:01:17,920
maybe a part three

4007
03:01:23,670 --> 03:01:20,800
i wanna say i want to say that

4008
03:01:24,790 --> 03:01:23,680
unfortunately the united states is the

4009
03:01:27,750 --> 03:01:24,800
least

4010
03:01:31,670 --> 03:01:27,760
helpful in bringing out information

4011
03:01:34,710 --> 03:01:31,680
they have recently asked me invited me

4012
03:01:37,030 --> 03:01:34,720
to present my case and my evidence

4013
03:01:38,230 --> 03:01:37,040
before a congressional

4014
03:01:40,469 --> 03:01:38,240
board

4015
03:01:42,950 --> 03:01:40,479
of review

4016
03:01:45,990 --> 03:01:42,960
i am planning to do this under the right

4017
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:46,000
circumstances under the right security

4018
03:01:52,230 --> 03:01:48,560
but it's a step in the right direction

4019
03:01:53,910 --> 03:01:52,240
is it the disclosure like we all want no

4020
03:01:56,790 --> 03:01:53,920
but it's a beginning

4021
03:01:59,030 --> 03:01:56,800
and that's what i'm doing that's why i'm

4022
03:02:01,269 --> 03:01:59,040
telling my story that's why i've never

4023
03:02:02,790 --> 03:02:01,279
stopped all i wanted to do

4024
03:02:05,910 --> 03:02:02,800
was tell people

4025
03:02:08,870 --> 03:02:05,920
this is a true reality that can happen

4026
03:02:11,030 --> 03:02:08,880
to anyone that's happened to thousands

4027
03:02:13,030 --> 03:02:11,040
of people all over the world

4028
03:02:15,590 --> 03:02:13,040
but i'm the only one that was either

4029
03:02:17,750 --> 03:02:15,600
stupid enough to take pictures and video

4030
03:02:21,110 --> 03:02:17,760
or lucky enough

4031
03:02:24,070 --> 03:02:21,120
my life has completely changed forever

4032
03:02:27,190 --> 03:02:24,080
and i believe it's for the good

4033
03:02:29,910 --> 03:02:27,200
jimmy thank you so much uh i've never

4034
03:02:32,469 --> 03:02:29,920
asked for any money i've never asked for

4035
03:02:34,630 --> 03:02:32,479
any donations i do sell a book it's

4036
03:02:35,349 --> 03:02:34,640
available on amazon

4037
03:02:38,070 --> 03:02:35,359
but

4038
03:02:41,349 --> 03:02:38,080
god bless you for taking the time to let

4039
03:02:43,910 --> 03:02:41,359
me talk and that's all i want to do and

4040
03:02:45,750 --> 03:02:43,920
thank you to all the people all over the

4041
03:02:48,150 --> 03:02:45,760
world who've helped me

4042
03:02:51,030 --> 03:02:48,160
god bless you all thank you

4043
03:02:53,910 --> 03:02:51,040
jonathan reed thank you so much sir we

4044
03:02:56,710 --> 03:02:53,920
will uh get uh part two lined up as soon

4045
03:02:58,469 --> 03:02:56,720
as we can uh be safe out there enjoy the

4046
03:02:59,590 --> 03:02:58,479
rest of your evening

4047
03:03:02,389 --> 03:02:59,600
and uh

4048
03:03:04,630 --> 03:03:02,399
tell holly i saw her and

4049
03:03:06,790 --> 03:03:04,640
i'll talk to you soon thank you so much

4050
03:03:07,670 --> 03:03:06,800
thank you to your audience thank you so

4051
03:03:09,910 --> 03:03:07,680
much

4052
03:03:11,349 --> 03:03:09,920
absolutely extraordinary night thank you

4053
03:03:12,790 --> 03:03:11,359
so much

4054
03:03:14,630 --> 03:03:12,800
and i've got to get straight to the

4055
03:03:16,469 --> 03:03:14,640
credits dr reed thank you stay right

4056
03:03:16,920 --> 03:03:16,479
there we'll say good night in just a

4057
03:03:18,630 --> 03:03:16,930
minute

4058
03:03:20,550 --> 03:03:18,640
[Music]

4059
03:03:21,670 --> 03:03:20,560
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4060
03:03:23,429 --> 03:03:21,680
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4061
03:03:25,190 --> 03:03:23,439
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4062
03:03:27,349 --> 03:03:25,200
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4063
03:03:29,510 --> 03:03:27,359
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4064
03:03:31,670 --> 03:03:29,520
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4065
03:03:33,830 --> 03:03:31,680
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4066
03:03:35,750 --> 03:03:33,840
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4067
03:03:37,030 --> 03:03:35,760
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4068
03:03:40,630 --> 03:03:37,040
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4069
03:03:42,230 --> 03:03:40,640
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4070
03:03:44,630 --> 03:03:42,240
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4071
03:03:46,230 --> 03:03:44,640
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4072
03:03:47,990 --> 03:03:46,240
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4073
03:03:49,349 --> 03:03:48,000
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4074
03:03:50,950 --> 03:03:49,359
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4075
03:03:52,950 --> 03:03:50,960
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4076
03:03:56,230 --> 03:03:52,960
church tomorrow night we're taking the

4077
03:03:57,510 --> 03:03:56,240
night off i'm speaking at you pars if

4078
03:03:58,870 --> 03:03:57,520
you're going to be there i'll see you in

4079
03:04:03,190 --> 03:03:58,880
studio city

4080
03:04:05,310 --> 03:04:03,200
until then i want everybody to be safe

4081
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:05,320
go backly tappy

4082
03:04:28,950 --> 03:04:20,550
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4083
03:04:36,490 --> 03:04:30,590
do